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    Hello everyone, I am an eighteen years old Italian and I come from Lombardy (my father is an ethnic Lombard while my mother is ethnically Sicilian, despite being born and raised here).
    I have a strong interest in anthropology, linguistics, geography, politics and history (plus many other things that have nothing to do with this forum). Since I began to be interested in these topics I have understood the evil of globalization and the death of cultures, especially the Lombard one. I always thought that Milanese was a dialect of Italian for old people, but when I opened my eyes I started to study it and to speak it with my father (absurd to have to learn your own ethnic language).
    My name derives from the fusion of my two main ideals, that are ethno-federalism and pan-Europeanism. I would like all multi-ethnic European nations (such as Italy, France, Spain and Germany, which I consider to be composed of various ethnicities) to be federal and to maintain all regional cultures and languages ​​with respect, alongside national identity. Furthermore, I am an irredentist and I believe that European countries should cede the lands that by right belong to other nations and I would like the unification of unnecessarily divided countries (such as Germany and Austria). In addition to believing in ethno-federalism, I am a supporter of a European federation whose unitary language would be Latin and which would lead Europe to be a great world power, probably the first. It would therefore be a federation of republics, themselves federal (but not always). Therefore Lombardy would be a state of the Italian Federal Republic which in turn is a republic of the great European Federation.

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    That's awesome dude! My grandfather was from sicily, and mother's side from Rome. Welcome.

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    Interesting views. Welcome

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ethno-Europeanist View Post
    I would like all multi-ethnic European nations (such as Italy, France, Spain and Germany, which I consider to be composed of various ethnicities) to be federal and to maintain all regional cultures and languages ​​with respect, alongside national identity. Furthermore, I am an irredentist and I believe that European countries should cede the lands that by right belong to other nations and I would like the unification of unnecessarily divided countries (such as Germany and Austria). In addition to believing in ethno-federalism, I am a supporter of a European federation whose unitary language would be Latin and which would lead Europe to be a great world power, probably the first. It would therefore be a federation of republics, themselves federal (but not always). Therefore Lombardy would be a state of the Italian Federal Republic which in turn is a republic of the great European Federation.
    This would never work.
    You are producing typical Italian ideology.
    For some reason, Italians are often dissatisfied with their State and many believe that turning the country into a loose federation of regions would solve the most blatant problems (the development gap between North and South, the ineptness of Roman democracy etc.).
    And they are darn wrong.
    Remember the Lega Nord: in the beginning they wanted the richest Northern provinces to go independant, and after a couple of years this party became a (mildly) nationalist, openly unitarian movement!
    Why? Because it was the only way to go.
    Do you seriously think that every region and sub-region making its peculiar dialect mandatory in schools and administration would improve local governance in any way? The only predictable outcome would be that everywhere in Europe we would have to use American Globish as a lingua franca!
    Making Europe a cluster of autonomous districts would end up creating a lot of small Andorras, Singapores, Luxembourgs, Jerseys and tons of other rotten tax heavens.
    BTW, while in Barcelona they argue about their Catalan or Spanish identity, the town is becoming an immigrant shithole and tourist have to speak American English to make sure they don't offend anyone! Same in Brussels: are they French, are they Dutch/Flemish? No, the town is becoming an English speaking carcinom made of Moroccans and Turks...
    Fuck Luxembourg, fuck San Marino and Monaco!
    What we need in Europe is a robust spinal cord. Only powerful States can provide it.
    An European federation? Alright. But there can't be any federation without a federating State (like was Prussia in Germany or Piedmont-Sardinia in Italy).
    Which nation could endorse this federating role? Germany is the most populous and richest nation — unfortunately they have given up any ambition of making their country great again. They feel comfortable that way. U.S. military occupation offers a convenient excuse to save money in defense.
    France or UK? They have accepted their fate as second tier powers (albeit with some expertise in military and nuclear technologies), they aren't going to play a federating role anytime soon.
    Russia? Russia will be and is an essential partner as far as raw materials are concerned, but with an economy lower than Germany's though being double in population, they are by and large too weak. But at the end of the day they have to become part of Europe — since, after all, they already are, whatever Mr Brzezinsky and Mr Biden may say.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ouistreham View Post
    This would never work.
    You are producing typical Italian ideology.
    For some reason, Italians are often dissatisfied with their State and many believe that turning the country into a loose federation of regions would solve the most blatant problems (the development gap between North and South, the ineptness of Roman democracy etc.).
    And they are darn wrong.
    Remember the Lega Nord: in the beginning they wanted the richest Northern provinces to go independant, and after a couple of years this party became a (mildly) nationalist, openly unitarian movement!
    Why? Because it was the only way to go.
    Do you seriously think that every region and sub-region making its peculiar dialect mandatory in schools and administration would improve local governance in any way? The only predictable outcome would be that everywhere in Europe we would have to use American Globish as a lingua franca!
    Making Europe a cluster of autonomous districts would end up creating a lot of small Andorras, Singapores, Luxembourgs, Jerseys and tons of other rotten tax heavens.
    BTW, while in Barcelona they argue about their Catalan or Spanish identity, the town is becoming an immigrant shithole and tourist have to speak American English to make sure they don't offend anyone! Same in Brussels: are they French, are they Dutch/Flemish? No, the town is becoming an English speaking carcinom made of Moroccans and Turks...
    Fuck Luxembourg, fuck San Marino and Monaco!
    What we need in Europe is a robust spinal cord. Only powerful States can provide it.
    An European federation? Alright. But there can't be any federation without a federating State (like was Prussia in Germany or Piedmont-Sardinia in Italy).
    Which nation could endorse this federating role? Germany is the most populous and richest nation — unfortunately they have given up any ambition of making their country great again. They feel comfortable that way. U.S. military occupation offers a convenient excuse to save money in defense.
    France or UK? They have accepted their fate as second tier powers (albeit with some expertise in military and nuclear technologies), they aren't going to play a federating role anytime soon.
    Russia? Russia will be and is an essential partner as far as raw materials are concerned, but with an economy lower than Germany's though being double in population, they are by and large too weak. But at the end of the day they have to become part of Europe — since, after all, they already are, whatever Mr Brzezinsky and Mr Biden may say.
    Thanks for the reply.
    I honestly don't think it's a typically Italian ideology, usually Italians are extreme, or centralized state, or secessionism. However, I would not like this state organization to solve the problems you have listed (those are solved in other ways), but for the serious problem of the death of languages. Italy is a country born by uniting very different peoples at the time of Augustus (the concept of Italy as the original homeland of the Romans already existed), after the fall it was divided into many small states (excluding the south) with various languages, it's a country made to be federal and nothing else, a centralized state makes no sense for a country that includes Friuli, Sardinia and Calabria. Despite being an Italian patriot, I prefer a totally divided Italy in which languages ​​are preserved than an Italy in which all the ethnic cultures and languages ​​of the north are dead and all that remains is an accent when speaking Italian. Then all this happens only for the north (excluding Veneto and Friuli), here we had mass immigration from the south (from which I too was born) which led to ethnic imbalances, today the Lombard culture is dead, people think that Lombard is a distorted dialect of Italian, they don't even know what Insubria is even if they live there. We are totally flattened to a generic "northern Italian" identity without awareness or roots, there are literally more people who know Neapolitan than people who know Milanese IN MILAN.
    I'm not talking about micro-regions, but rather large ethnic regions (Lombardy includes all the north-west with Romagna) such as Occitania which is divided into many dialects. Unfortunately it is impossible to save all the dialects, the only solution is the compromise of standardizing the regional languages ​​and teaching them in this way, it flattens a little but at least the various ethnic groups continue to speak their language. So it is not a question of many Luxemburges but of many federated Denmarkes.
    Not to offend your country that I love, but I believe that France is the best example of a state that flattens the differences, just look at the disastrous situation of the Occitans. You love the centralized and uniform state, but in my opinion it is an ethnic suicide for countries like France, Spain and Germany, the centralized state is good for homogeneous countries like Hungary.
    I don't see why my idea shouldn't work. Obviously I realize that Latin as a lingua franca is a romantic utopia and that we would end up speaking English, but I wanted to illustrate what I would like to happen, and the idea of ​​making Latin a living language that unites Europe is wonderful.

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