How would you describe your overall political beliefs and worldview?

[Tooting Carmen]

True, but originally they didn't believe that everyone could be Welsh/Breton/Basque just by speaking their language or raising their banner. Cosmopolitanism (of the virtue signaling kind) is a new vice imposed on them, methinks.

What I am asking is how is their nationalism necessarily left-wing? And right from the start, a lot of their nationalism has indeed revolved around "the English/French/Spaniards have oppressed us, we must escape them!"

[Andullero]

What I am asking is how is their nationalism necessarily left-wing?

It's left wing in the sense that it only means to reclaim an imagined original space. It's not meant to expand outwards, so to speak. This is where Americanism has inverted the meaning of concepts, since they associate nationalism of this irredentist variety to right wingism, when in reality it isn't so originally.

[Tooting Carmen]

It's left wing in the sense that it only means to reclaim an imagined original space. It's not meant to expand outwards, so to speak. This is where Americanism has inverted the meaning of concepts, since they associate nationalism of this irredentist variety to right wingism, when in reality it isn't so originally.

I get you. And that is why there is so much confusion over WWII in particular: the Nazis may have claimed to be 'nationalists' and in some cases 'Romantics', but what they really were were exceptionally brutal imperialists.

[Tooting Carmen]

I get you. And that is why there is so much confusion over WWII in particular: the Nazis may have claimed to be 'nationalists' and in some cases 'Romantics', but what they really were were exceptionally brutal imperialists.

More generally, Nazism is often poorly understood, often for ideologically convenient reasons. Despite the popular perception that they were extreme romantic reactionaries, in truth their ideas regarding race, eugenics and medicine in particular were (in a perverse sense) highly modernist and revolutionary.

[Andullero]

More generally, Nazism is often poorly understood, often for ideologically convenient reasons. Despite the popular perception that they were extreme romantic reactionaries, in truth their ideas regarding race, eugenics and medicine in particular were (in a perverse sense) highly modernist and revolutionary.

Regarding Welsh nationalism, I'm surprised some of them haven't gone full irredentist mode, in the sense of aspiring to reclaim for an hypothetical Welsh state some of those areas in Western and Northern England that were conquered by Wessex and Northumbria/Scotland (Elmet and Strathclyde in this particular instance).

[Tooting Carmen]

Regarding Welsh nationalism, I'm surprised some of them haven't gone full irredentist mode, in the sense of aspiring to reclaim for an hypothetical Welsh state some of those areas in Western and Northern England that were conquered by Wessex and Northumbria/Scotland (Elmet and Strathclyde in this particular instance).

That would seem too daft and pedantic...

[Tooting Carmen]

Having said all this, Plaid Cymru's evolution over the years is definitely a microcosm of how much of British and Western politics has gone. It used to be quite rural, religious and socially conservative, whereas now it is much more socially libertine and tree-hugging. (I am not saying this is necessarily a bad thing either - far from it). Yet in many ways this sets apart Plaid Cymru's vision of Wales from more 'popular' Welsh nationalism, which by contrast is a lot more macho and swaggering. (Or at least it likes to think of itself as such - I increasingly think that rugby exists to give little nations like New Zealand, Wales, Georgia and the Pacific Islands not only a highly inflated sense of importance, but also a feeling that they are much more masculine, sexy and athletic than is really the case).

[Tooting Carmen]

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[Zeus]

Weirdly, like a combination of nationalist, libertarian, and socialist principles.

In us context, I’m fairly socially libertarian-conservative and economically socialist. Which is a combination that alienates me from both sides of the partisan/ideological divide.

[mitalit]

conservative, ethnocentric, economically liberal