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Iranics are to MENA what Slavs/EE are to Europeans?
Iranics are to MENA's folks what Slavs and Eastern Europeans are to Europeans. Do you agree with this statement, yes or no? I chose yes, here is why:
1) Iranians had higher ANE in their Mesolithic and Neolithic Past (Hotu Cave, HotuIIb, Wezmeh, Ganj Dareh, etc) when compared to PGNE like Natufians, Anatolian farmers/Barcin_N, Taforalt the past like how mesolithic and Neolithic Eastern Europeans like Ukraine_N, Narva HG, Samara HG (EHG), Karelian HG (EHG, suprisingly had Y-DNA J1) had higher ANE profile than the rest of Old Europe (WHG, EEF folks like LBK Germany, Cucuteni Tripolye, Funnelbeaker Europe, Iberia Neolithic-who strangly had R1b-V88 despite little to no ANE, the inverse of Keralia HG)
2) Both had their ANE diluted by mixing with Anatolian farmer decent groups. It was EEF for Eastern Euros and both direct ANF and mixed Levant Neolithic/PPNB (Natufian+Anatolian Farmer) for Iranians.
3) Both groups still have much higher ANE ancestry compared to their respective regional neighbours. Balto-Slavs have higher EHG (excluding Finno Uralics) compared to their European kin (even Med sea S. Slavs have it higher compared to Med Euros of similar latitude e.g Italians, Iberians, Greeks). Similarly, Iranics have higher ANE compared to their MENA counterparts in the Levant, Gulf, Egypt, North Africa.
3) Both have less "deep source"/Basal Eurasian/SSA affinity compared their regional kin as described by Lazaridis. E.G. Russians and Belgians are both mostly Nothern Europeans with 40%+ Steppe_EMBA ancestry but Russians have less EEF and consequently less affinity to Basal stuff when compared to Belgians. A South Slav Bosniak also has less Basal affinity compared to regional non Slavs counterparts like Albanians or an Tuscan Italian. Iranians, being MENA, will by nature have high basal affinity but it less than in Gulf Arabs, Levantines, Copts. Also the ANA/Taforalt/IBM stuff found in Natufians and modern Berbers, Ancient Egyptians, Beduoin B etc is not common in Iranics, making them distant from deep source/Mbuti stuff when compared to other MENA. It is an common anthro-lore here that Arab speakers and muslim Afro Asiatic language speakers are more likely to have more recent SSA/Yoruba-like ancestry since the Islamic conquests. This is true for most Magrebis, Egyptians, Muslim Levantines and Gulf Arabs. But this rule seem to affect Iranics much less (and Turks) despite SSA/Bantu slave being brought to the Iranian Plaetau and Anatolia (even Caucasus, see Black Abkhazians)
3) Both Slav and Iranics seem to have higher affinities to East Eurasians/ENA due to ancient events (e.g. Tianyuan in Yana/MA-1 Mal'ta Buret/Afantova Gora 3) or recent history e.g. Both Iranics and Slavs were affected by the expansion of Turko-Mongol, were ruled by Turkics and Mongolics (Avars, Golden Horde, Ilkhanate etc). Both were effected by the expansion of Devil Gates/Amur river HG/Mongolian_N groups in Central Asia. Genetically East Slav like Scythians and Afanseivo (lacking EEF present in Slavs tho) were replaced by NE Asians in S. Siberia and Northern Central Asia and Tarim Basin while Eastern Iran_N/BMAC sedentary farmers in Transoxiana (old Khorasan) were obliterated by Devil Gates folks in Southern Central Asia later in history, with the Tajiks hanging on, huddled between the cold Pamirs and a sea of Turkic speakers. Similarly, one is more likely to expect NE Asian ancestry in non Western Russians like Pomors than in lets say the Dutch, Spaniards and Italians. Similarly, you are gonna morely likely get NE Asian ancestry in an Mashhad Persian than in an Saudi Arab from Riyad/Jeddah or an Egyptian Copt in Cairo.
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Originally Posted by Dr_Maul
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