Observations on the differences between the Scots and the English

[oszkar07]

I had a friend in highschool his parents were Scottish.
I dont know how common it is amongst Scotts but this guy was kind of swarthy looking.
He had Brown eyes , brunette - dark brown hair and slightly med type olive skin.
I remember a English guy we were drinking with at a pub in Amsterdam commented that my friend looked like a typical Scott so I guess his facial features fit into the Scottish look.
I usually would imagine Scotts to be quite pale but my friend was more towards a swarthy med complexion. His brother was slightly paler but with very dark eyes and dark hair.

[Oliver109]

I had a friend in highschool his parents were Scottish.
I dont know how common it is amongst Scotts but this guy was kind of swarthy looking.
He had Brown eyes , brunette - dark brown hair and slightly med type olive skin.
I remember a English guy we were drinking with at a pub in Amsterdam commented that my friend looked like a typical Scott so I guess his facial features fit into the Scottish look.
I usually would imagine Scotts to be quite pale but my friend was more towards a swarthy med complexion. His brother was slightly paler but with very dark eyes and dark hair.

There is a notable darker minority amongst Scots, Alex Salmond a good example and there are many more i could mention. They are very much in the minority though, perhaps around 5% and so in a group of Scots they will always be the odd one out, Coon said that dark eyed Scots were much more common than dark eyed Irish so there is the continuation of the Mediterranean strain of southern England and Wales.

[Ruggery]

Hi thanks mate, i think auburn hair is common in both countries, i mean proper red hair seems commoner amongst the Irish, for example in this picture i would say the boy on the left looks more typically Irish as does the curly haired girl on the bottom, the middle girl has a more Scottish hair tone though this is anecdotal but i did notice it on trips to Scotland. By Med i include Atlantids too, atlanto meds are not common at all and maybe only 1-2% of fully English, North Atlantids are very common in Scotland but i wont include them in the Med group.

So the most common shade of red in Scotland is this? very similar to Prince Harry

And in Ireland this?

[Ruggery]

Where is this shade of blonde more common among the English or the Scots?

Are there more med people among the Scots than the English?

[Anglo-Celtic]

I had a friend in highschool his parents were Scottish.
I dont know how common it is amongst Scotts but this guy was kind of swarthy looking.
He had Brown eyes , brunette - dark brown hair and slightly med type olive skin.
I remember a English guy we were drinking with at a pub in Amsterdam commented that my friend looked like a typical Scott so I guess his facial features fit into the Scottish look.
I usually would imagine Scotts to be quite pale but my friend was more towards a swarthy med complexion. His brother was slightly paler but with very dark eyes and dark hair.

My mom, my sisters, and I had/have those darker features. I thought that we had more Southern European blood than it turned out that we did. That 2% Sicilian can't change phenotypes in such a dramatic way. It's a relief to see British Isles people with Mediterranean features.

[Anglo-Celtic]

OK, I'll correct myself that the data for Wales was self-reported vs measured for England and Scotland. Also possible that ethnic minorities skew the statistics for England.

That raises a question. Does that skew those charts about eye color and hair color, or are those charts from the past when there were fewer people of non-White descent in the British Isles?

[Anglo-Celtic]

So the most common shade of red in Scotland is this? very similar to Prince Harry

And in Ireland this?

I have few redheaded relatives. My dad's sister and my dad's cousin (looked a bit like the guy in the photo) had red or reddish hair. My great uncle was like an Irish redhead in his younger days, and my cousin has copper tinged hair. There aren't a lot, and they all come from Ground Zero for red hair in the States.

[Creoda]

That raises a question. Does that skew those charts about eye color and hair color, or are those charts from the past when there were fewer people of non-White descent in the British Isles?

Some are from the past when countries were homogenous, some are modern amateur efforts from people who specifically only looked at natives. When I counted native English sportsmen's pigmentation it pretty much accorded with other studies.

[Ruggery]

I have few redheaded relatives. My dad's sister and my dad's cousin (looked a bit like the guy in the photo) had red or reddish hair. My great uncle was like an Irish redhead in his younger days, and my cousin has copper tinged hair. There aren't a lot, and they all come from Ground Zero for red hair in the States.

I always thought that most of the Irish had some red-haired relative, and that around 30 to 40% of their native population had the genes, this is a map of red hair in USA.

[Anglo-Celtic]

Some are from the past when countries were homogenous, some are modern amateur efforts from people who specifically only looked at natives. When I counted native English sportsmen's pigmentation it pretty much accorded with other studies.

I just wondered because it seemed counterintuitive that Southeast England would have such a relatively high amount of people with brown eyes, compared to the rest of the country, unless there was a high influx of French migrants in the distant past. I definitely get the high amount if they use the modern population since London, etc. are such heterogeneous regions.