Race in the USA vs race in Latin America: do you agree with this quote of mine from another thread?

[Tooting Carmen]

A slightly over-romantic take on Latin America, but interesting nonetheless: https://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/11/o...tolerance.html

[Tooting Carmen]

One major difference between North and Latin America is that, increasingly, the racism in the former could be described as an "equal opportunities" racism where everyone hates everyone. (Well not quite, but you know what I mean). In fact, the stereotype of the "angry Black woman" who gets annoyed at Black men with White partners has become a staple of US sociology and media commentary. By contrast, the assumption in Latin American countries is still that Whites (or a significant number of them at least) disapprove of interracial relationships, whereas Blacks, Mestizos and possibly to a lesser extent Amerindians invariably tolerate or even welcome them.

[El_Jibaro]

One major difference between North and Latin America is that, increasingly, the racism in the former could be described as an "equal opportunities" racism where everyone hates everyone. (Well not quite, but you know what I mean). In fact, the stereotype of the "angry Black woman" who gets annoyed at Black men with White partners has become a staple of US sociology and media commentary. By contrast, the assumption in Latin American countries is still that Whites (or a significant number of them at least) disapprove of interracial relationships, whereas Blacks, Mestizos and possibly to a lesser extent Amerindians invariably tolerate or even welcome them.

The mestizos, blacks, etc want to "improve the race" while the whites don't want to "damage the race". Of course not everyone is like this, but these sentiments exist.

[Tooting Carmen]

"Latin American immigration will push us toward an even more extensive racial caste system than the white-black gap that has so long troubled us." So says right-wing commentator Steve Sailer. Is he right?
https://vdare.com/articles/importing...ial-inequality

[StonyArabia]

I heard in Peru, Mexico,DR and most other places if you look white you go high on the pedestal. Though this white supremacy/colonial mentality in Latin America is result of European colonization and later indirect American colonization.

[JamesBond007]

I heard in Peru, Mexico,DR and most other places if you look white you go high on the pedestal. Though this white supremacy/colonial mentality in Latin America is result of European colonization and later indirect American colonization.

What ? it is dangerous for an American to travel to Mexico. The concept of 'whiteness' overlooks this reality.

[Tooting Carmen]

Both of you have a point. In the worlds of business and media, StonyArabia is largely right. In other spheres of life much less so, and gringos can indeed be in danger of theft and violence depending on where they go.

[time67]

I think the truth is that both U.S. Americans and Latin Americans vary too much to reach a singular conclusion on this topic.

The U.S.'s "racial division" is exaggerated and gets broadcasted across the globe. Ironically, in many Southern states, White Southerners are generally more likely to see Black Southerners as kin than White Northeasterners and both eat the same food, have the same religious beliefs, same etiquette, etc. The biggest division in the South is politics more than anything else which kind of intertwines with race but transcends it as well because of the influx of White Liberals from other regions.

The biggest racial division in the U.S. is perpetuated by Leftists who control the media and academia who turn even the slightest issue into a "racial matter" that "deserves" a racial dialogue when, in fact, many people of all races would otherwise be more focused on the economy, COVID, inflation, and other issues had the media not shoved the issue down everyone's throats demanding a reaction.

Otherwise, I'd say the biggest divisions in the U.S. are rooted in class, politics, and the urban/rural divide before race alone.

Now, Latin America is even more complex because different countries have different racial standards, histories, and cultures.

I will say this though.....I ironically have seen more relationships between White Latinos from countries like Cuba, PR, Brazil, and Venezuela with Afro-descendants(Mulatos, Tri-Racials, and even some Griffes) than I have Mestizos/Amerindians from countries like Mexico, Guatemala, El Salvador, and Peru with Afro-descendants. I think "Brown people" from countries with fewer Afro-descendants are more likely to stigmatize relationships of that nature than Criollos in countries full of them on average.

Even in South Florida where a couple of relatives of mine live, it's not that unusual to see White Latinos in relationships with Tri-Racials, Quadroons, and Mulatos despite the common stereotype of White Latinos in Florida being Spaniard wannabe MAGA racists.

Of course, there's also many "race conscious" Hispanics as well throughout the region who fit the criteria of claiming racial unity while only reserving themselves for Criollos/Whites like you pointed out. But I think there's more of a nuance than you're describing.

I think the only real difference between U.S. Americans and Latin Americans is that the U.S. tends to categorize people by race first whereas Latin Americans tend to categorize people by ethnic group/nationality first. But there's nuances and overlaps on both sides due to how widespread and diverse both regions are.

[Cristiano viejo]

Both of you have a point. In the worlds of business and media, StonyArabia is largely right. In other spheres of life much less so, and gringos can indeed be in danger of theft and violence depending on where they go.

https://as.com/videos/2021/12/18/act...21_927269.html

[Adrianv2]

Well I will agree that a figure like Malcolm X is almost unimaginable for anywhere in Latin America. (All the same, we could do with a few MLKs, even if the causes wouldn't be quite the same). On the other hand, I think you are seriously overstating the lack of patriotism of Aframs - many will chant "USA USA" and fly the flag as their compatriots do and many serve in the army in particular. This notion that nearly every Black person is a Black Panther waiting to happen is a ridiculous myth.

Blacks are less patriotic today in the USA then they were decades ago. But this was taught to them by Marxists in the 60's, then it largely subsided from the culture, but was kept alive in the universities. Now the Whites are the evil oppressor narrative has been unleashed everywhere including W. Europe.