The most genetically Ancient European populations in Modern Europe

[Zanzibar]

It's not a PCA, but it's a square version of a ternary diagram.

The image below shows the 64 populations that are the closest to the Bashkir population average (I hate the decimal system but I like integer exponents of two). The components with the highest average percentage were WSH (35%), Han (23%), and EEF (8%), and the other components are combined into the "Other" component.

There isn't an ANE or WSHG component, so West Siberians get a lot of WSH. For example Khanty are modeled as 29% WSH, 34% Han, 13% Clovis, and 4% Levant_N.

Ok. Well I think Nganassan/RUS_Krasnoyarsk_BA would be a better fit for the East Asian (its the population genetics term for Mongoloid rather than it meaning literal "East Asian countries") ancestry in the Bashkirs and VURers than the Han who are too southern and too East Asian rice-shifted farmer shifted.

There aren't ANE and WSHG components in the ternary diagram? You will have to include Afontova_Gora_3/MA1 and Tyumen_HG/KAZ_Botai into the diagram if you want those components as well.

[rothaer]

Interesting, since EHG becomes much more dominant in Modern Europeans than WHG according to this calculator. Also, do you know why the distances are quite larger than on Davidski's calculator?

Target: Dunai
Distance: 4.7242% / 0.04724196
46.6 ENF=Anatolia_Barcin_N
34.4 EHG=RUS_Karelia_HG
12.8 CHG=GEO_CHG
6.2 WHG=BEL_Loschbour

Target: Dunai
Distance: 3.4694% / 0.03469439
46.8 Western_Steppe_Herders
39.4 Early_European_Farmers
11.6 Western_Hunter_Gatherer
2.2 Han

"Interesting, since EHG becomes much more dominant in Modern Europeans than WHG according to this calculator.":

Absolutely. But consider Yamnaya is roughly 50% EHG and kind of 0% WHG. What we do have from WHG is ridicolous and it does hardly anywhere exceed 10%.

"Also, do you know why the distances are quite larger than on Davidski's calculator?":

A good question. I've never understood the meaning of the absolute values of the distances and I even think, there is no. My assumption is, they are just relative, i. e. for comparison within the same calculator, not between different calculators.

If they should be regarded absolute, then I can just speculate: Maybe a Yamnaya sample, that is younger (5 ky) and closer to today people than the other references has some more genetic traces, that are not cought by the components in the K11. I think Yamnaya can not be perfectly modeled by just EHG and CHG, as the K11 provides. There is probably also some Iran chalcolithic-like DNA in Yamnaya and I know that Davidski likes to use Iran chalcolitic for modelling, beside CHG or without CHG. But different experiments have shown, that CHG seems somewhat more suitable, if you just use one of these both components. If you just use Iran Chalcolitic and no CHG you get a part of CHG pushed into ENF (instead of all into Iran chalcolithic).

[Komintasavalta]

Ok. Well I think Nganassan/RUS_Krasnoyarsk_BA would be a better fit for the East Asian (its the population genetics term for Mongoloid rather than it meaning literal "East Asian countries") ancestry in the Bashkirs and VURers than the Han who are too southern and too East Asian rice-shifted farmer shifted.

There aren't ANE and WSHG components in the ternary diagram? You will have to include Afontova_Gora_3/MA1 and Tyumen_HG/KAZ_Botai into the diagram if you want those components as well.

I simply ran the OP's model in Vahaduo, so I didn't want to add any populations.

It's not a ternary diagram either, but I don't know what to call it. Quaternary diagram?

Here's a different model for the 64 closest populations to Maris. This time the model only has 4 components, so there is no "other" component. There isn't a South Asian source in the model, so South Asians get a lot of MA1. Khanty are the furthest right on the plot, which means that they have the highest combined proportion of MA1 and Shamanka.



When I tried replacing WHG and ANE with EHG, Eastern Finns got the highest EHG so they're positioned the highest on the plot. EHG is really the main ancient European component among present-day Europeans, and Southern Europeans are more Anatolian than European.

[Zanzibar]

I simply ran the OP's model in Vahaduo, so I didn't want to add any populations.

It's not a ternary diagram either, but I don't know what to call it. Quaternary diagram?

Here's a different model for the 64 closest populations to Maris. This time the model only has 4 components, so there is no "other" component. There isn't a South Asian source in the model, so South Asians get a lot of MA1. Khanty are the furthest right on the plot, which means that they have the highest combined proportion of MA1 and Shamanka.



When I tried replacing WHG and ANE with EHG, Eastern Finns got the highest EHG so they're positioned the highest on the plot. EHG is really the main ancient European component among present-day Europeans, and Southern Europeans are more Anatolian than European.

I'm not sure what to called it either. South Asians actually get a lot of ANE like around 30% if I remembered correctly from seeing Eurogenes K8 and Basal rich K7. Also Khanty have one of the highest ANE in Eurasia along with Ket, Selkup with their other side being East Asian ancestry (much more Krasnoyarsk/Nganasan-like than Shamanka-like which is more Tungusic/Turkic-related)

Actually EHG is more of the main ancient components of Finns and other NE Europeans such as Karelians, Estonians, other Balts, etc rather than of Europeans as a whole. If I am not wrong, WHG is the main hunter gather component of NW Euros including Norwegians, Swedes rather than EHG.

[Jana]

Actually EHG is more of the main ancient components of Finns and other NE Europeans such as Karelians, Estonians, other Balts, etc rather than of Europeans as a whole. If I am not wrong, WHG is the main hunter gather component of NW Euros including Norwegians, Swedes rather than EHG.

Yes and WHG is European component that is furthest removed from both mongoloids and sub-saharans. EHG even has Onge like affinities.
But he is pushing his Uralic propaganda as usual.

[Dorian]

Wow, really?! Till now it was just a consideration of mine, because of the geographic location of Barcin. If you have ANY link for me, that would be very interesting.

There's only this video https://youtu.be/ghKyuDwJZkE?t=824 but it has no subtitle option ,it's mostly introductory and basic population genetic stuff.

13:44 she says "We see that in the Greek area a difference between the Mesolithics and the Neolithics doesn't seem to have existed , they are similar while the Mesolithics and Neolithics in Central and other parts of Europe are different" then she goes on about Neolithics.

[Liquid]

92. Target: Greek_Thessaly = Ancient European: 88%
Distance: 2.2612% / 0.02261246
53.4 Early_European_Farmers
32.4 Western_Steppe_Herders
9.8 Kura_Araxes
2.2 Natufian
2.2 Western_Hunter_Gatherer
93. Target: Gagauz = Ancient European: 86%
Distance: 3.2621% / 0.03262127
44.6 Early_European_Farmers
36.2 Western_Steppe_Herders
11.6 Kura_Araxes
5.2 Western_Hunter_Gatherer
2.0 Natufian
0.4 Levant_Neolithic
94. Target: Greek_Macedonia = Ancient European: 86%
Distance: 3.0306% / 0.03030594
50.6 Early_European_Farmers
32.4 Western_Steppe_Herders
11.4 Kura_Araxes
3.0 Western_Hunter_Gatherer
2.6 Natufian
95. Target: Komi = Ancient European: 84%
Distance: 7.2106% / 0.07210605
57.6 Western_Steppe_Herders
15.0 Early_European_Farmers
11.4 Western_Hunter_Gatherer
10.8 Han
2.2 Clovis
1.8 Natufian
1.2 Levant_Neolithic
96. Target: Italian_Marche = Ancient European: 82.6%
Distance: 2.0301% / 0.02030063
51.8 Early_European_Farmers
28.0 Western_Steppe_Herders
12.2 Kura_Araxes
5.2 Natufian
2.8 Western_Hunter_Gatherer
97. Target: Greek_Peloponnese = Ancient European: 82.2%
Distance: 2.2210% / 0.02221016
51.2 Early_European_Farmers
29.2 Western_Steppe_Herders
12.6 Kura_Araxes
4.8 Natufian
1.8 Western_Hunter_Gatherer
0.2 Ganj_Dareh_Neolithic
0.2 Han
98. Target: Italian_Lazio = Ancient European: 82%
Distance: 2.0166% / 0.02016640
54.0 Early_European_Farmers
24.8 Western_Steppe_Herders
10.6 Kura_Araxes
5.2 Natufian
3.2 Western_Hunter_Gatherer
2.2 Ganj_Dareh_Neolithic
99. Target: Turkish_Deliorman = Ancient European: 81.6%
Distance: 3.0631% / 0.03063066
38.4 Western_Steppe_Herders
36.8 Early_European_Farmers
10.6 Kura_Araxes
4.8 Han
4.4 Natufian
3.4 Western_Hunter_Gatherer
1.6 Tepecik_Çiftlik_Neolithic
100. Target: Italian_Molise = Ancient European: 77.8%
Distance: 1.6736% / 0.01673591
50.8 Early_European_Farmers
25.4 Western_Steppe_Herders
15.6 Kura_Araxes
5.0 Natufian
1.6 Ganj_Dareh_Neolithic
1.6 Western_Hunter_Gatherer
101. Target: Italian_Abruzzo = Ancient European: 76.8%
Distance: 1.6260% / 0.01626012
50.2 Early_European_Farmers
24.8 Western_Steppe_Herders
15.0 Kura_Araxes
6.2 Natufian
2.0 Ganj_Dareh_Neolithic
1.8 Western_Hunter_Gatherer
102. Target: Turkish_Rumelia = Ancient European: 76.8%
Distance: 2.0958% / 0.02095808
39.4 Early_European_Farmers
36.4 Western_Steppe_Herders
6.2 Levant_Neolithic
5.4 Han
5.4 Kura_Araxes
3.4 Ganj_Dareh_Neolithic
2.8 Natufian
1.0 Western_Hunter_Gatherer
103. Target: Tatar_Volga = Ancient European: 76.4%
Distance: 5.7730% / 0.05773023
51.4 Western_Steppe_Herders
18.2 Early_European_Farmers
14.6 Han
7.6 Levant_Neolithic
6.8 Western_Hunter_Gatherer
1.4 Clovis
104. Target: Italian_Umbria = Ancient European: 74.4%
Distance: 1.5732% / 0.01573190
54.0 Early_European_Farmers
27.6 Western_Steppe_Herders
12.0 Kura_Araxes
2.8 Western_Hunter_Gatherer
2.6 Natufian
0.6 Iberomaurusian
0.4 Ganj_Dareh_Neolithic
105. Target: Maltese = Ancient European: 73%
Distance: 1.6941% / 0.01694051
49.4 Early_European_Farmers
22.8 Western_Steppe_Herders
9.2 Natufian
8.6 Kura_Araxes
5.8 Ganj_Dareh_Neolithic
3.4 Iberomaurusian
0.8 Western_Hunter_Gatherer
106. Target: Besermyan = Ancient European: 72.8%
Distance: 7.7230% / 0.07722976
57.4 Western_Steppe_Herders
14.4 Han
10.0 Early_European_Farmers
5.6 Levant_Neolithic
5.4 Western_Hunter_Gatherer
3.8 Tepecik_Çiftlik_Neolithic
3.4 Clovis
107. Target: Saami = Ancient European: 72.2%
Distance: 9.4903% / 0.09490277
52.2 Western_Steppe_Herders
16.6 Han
16.6 Western_Hunter_Gatherer
5.4 Clovis
4.8 Levant_Neolithic
3.4 Early_European_Farmers
1.0 Natufian
108. Target: Italian_Basilicata = Ancient European: 72.2%
Distance: 1.4773% / 0.01477290
49.0 Early_European_Farmers
22.0 Western_Steppe_Herders
18.4 Kura_Araxes
7.0 Natufian
2.4 Ganj_Dareh_Neolithic
1.2 Western_Hunter_Gatherer
109. Target: Chuvash = Ancient European: 72%
Distance: 10.8062% / 0.10806228
53.4 Western_Steppe_Herders
16.4 Han
9.8 Early_European_Farmers
7.8 Western_Hunter_Gatherer
7.0 Tepecik_Çiftlik_Neolithic
2.4 Clovis
1.8 Levant_Neolithic
1.4 Natufian
110. Target: Italian_Apulia = Ancient European: 71.8%
Distance: 1.8014% / 0.01801425
48.6 Early_European_Farmers
21.6 Western_Steppe_Herders
20.6 Kura_Araxes
6.8 Natufian
1.6 Western_Hunter_Gatherer
0.8 Ganj_Dareh_Neolithic
111. Target: Italian_Campania = Ancient European: 71.2%
Distance: 1.5358% / 0.01535764
49.4 Early_European_Farmers
20.8 Western_Steppe_Herders
16.6 Kura_Araxes
8.2 Natufian
4.0 Ganj_Dareh_Neolithic
1.0 Western_Hunter_Gatherer
112. Target: Sicilian_West = Ancient European: 71%
Distance: 2.2569% / 0.02256886
46.4 Early_European_Farmers
19.6 Western_Steppe_Herders
14.2 Kura_Araxes
9.0 Natufian
5.0 Western_Hunter_Gatherer
4.0 Ganj_Dareh_Neolithic
1.4 Iberomaurusian
0.4 Helmand
113. Target: Udmurt = Ancient European: 69.2%
Distance: 8.7647% / 0.08764690
59.8 Western_Steppe_Herders
14.6 Han
6.6 Levant_Neolithic
5.4 Tepecik_Çiftlik_Neolithic
5.0 Western_Hunter_Gatherer
4.6 Early_European_Farmers
4.0 Clovis
114. Target: Italian_Calabria = Ancient European: 69.2%
Distance: 1.6885% / 0.01688513
49.4 Early_European_Farmers
19.6 Western_Steppe_Herders
18.8 Kura_Araxes
7.0 Natufian
3.2 Ganj_Dareh_Neolithic
1.0 Iberomaurusian
0.8 Helmand
0.2 Western_Hunter_Gatherer
115. Target: Ashkenazi_Russia = Ancient European: 68%
Distance: 1.8029% / 0.01802887
42.4 Early_European_Farmers
25.2 Western_Steppe_Herders
13.0 Kura_Araxes
12.2 Natufian
4.4 Ganj_Dareh_Neolithic
1.8 Han
0.6 Iberomaurusian
0.4 Western_Hunter_Gatherer
116. Target: Sicilian_East = Ancient European: 67.2%
Distance: 2.1771% / 0.02177133
45.8 Early_European_Farmers
21.6 Kura_Araxes
19.0 Western_Steppe_Herders
9.4 Natufian
2.4 Western_Hunter_Gatherer
0.8 Helmand
0.6 Savanna_Pastoral_Neolithic
0.4 Ganj_Dareh_Neolithic
117. Target: Ashkenazi_Lithuania = Ancient European: 67%
Distance: 1.6123% / 0.01612328
42.8 Early_European_Farmers
23.6 Western_Steppe_Herders
12.8 Natufian
11.6 Kura_Araxes
7.0 Ganj_Dareh_Neolithic
1.6 Han
0.6 Western_Hunter_Gatherer
118. Target: Ashkenazi_Belarus = Ancient European: 66.2%
Distance: 1.4800% / 0.01479994
41.6 Early_European_Farmers
23.6 Western_Steppe_Herders
13.2 Kura_Araxes
11.4 Natufian
5.4 Ganj_Dareh_Neolithic
3.8 Levant_Neolithic
1.0 Western_Hunter_Gatherer
119. Target: Ashkenazi_Ukraine = Ancient European: 65.8%
Distance: 2.1806% / 0.02180590
40.8 Early_European_Farmers
23.8 Western_Steppe_Herders
13.0 Natufian
12.8 Kura_Araxes
5.0 Ganj_Dareh_Neolithic
2.0 Tepecik_Çiftlik_Neolithic
1.2 Levant_Neolithic
1.2 Western_Hunter_Gatherer
0.2 Iberomaurusian
120. Target: Ashkenazi_Poland = Ancient European: 64.6%
Distance: 2.0470% / 0.02047046
41.0 Early_European_Farmers
22.8 Western_Steppe_Herders
14.8 Kura_Araxes
13.2 Natufian
4.8 Ganj_Dareh_Neolithic
2.2 Levant_Neolithic
0.8 Western_Hunter_Gatherer
0.4 Iberomaurusian
121. Target: Ashkenazi_Germany = Ancient European: 64.2%
Distance: 1.3037% / 0.01303701
44.6 Early_European_Farmers
18.8 Western_Steppe_Herders
13.6 Kura_Araxes
13.6 Natufian
7.4 Ganj_Dareh_Neolithic
1.0 Iberomaurusian
0.8 Western_Hunter_Gatherer
0.2 Han
122. Target: Greek_Crete = Ancient European: 63.4%
Distance: 1.7397% / 0.01739693
43.8 Early_European_Farmers
25.2 Kura_Araxes
19.6 Western_Steppe_Herders
8.2 Natufian
3.2 Ganj_Dareh_Neolithic
123. Target: Tatar_Crimean = Ancient European: 57.8%
Distance: 5.1088% / 0.05108841
38.4 Western_Steppe_Herders
24.0 Han
19.4 Early_European_Farmers
9.6 Levant_Neolithic
7.4 Tepecik_Çiftlik_Neolithic
1.0 Clovis
0.2 Helmand
124. Target: Sephardic_Jew = Ancient European: 57.2%
Distance: 2.0582% / 0.02058220
42.8 Early_European_Farmers
19.2 Kura_Araxes
14.4 Western_Steppe_Herders
13.0 Natufian
8.0 Ganj_Dareh_Neolithic
2.6 Iberomaurusian
125. Target: Mari = Ancient European: 57%
Distance: 14.5741% / 0.14574108
51.0 Western_Steppe_Herders
18.4 Han
9.4 Tepecik_Çiftlik_Neolithic
8.0 Western_Hunter_Gatherer
6.2 Levant_Neolithic
4.6 Clovis
2.4 Natufian
126. Target: Greek_Dodecanese = Ancient European: 56.8%
Distance: 1.4810% / 0.01481024
44.4 Early_European_Farmers
29.2 Kura_Araxes
12.4 Western_Steppe_Herders
7.8 Natufian
6.2 Ganj_Dareh_Neolithic
127. Target: Turkish_Istanbul = Ancient European: 51.8%
Distance: 1.5203% / 0.01520317
32.0 Kura_Araxes
29.6 Early_European_Farmers
22.0 Western_Steppe_Herders
5.4 Han
4.6 Natufian
3.8 Ganj_Dareh_Neolithic
2.4 Helmand
0.2 Western_Hunter_Gatherer
128. Target: Bashkir = Ancient European: 49.8%
Distance: 8.6771% / 0.08677103
45.6 Western_Steppe_Herders
27.8 Han
11.8 Levant_Neolithic
6.2 Tepecik_Çiftlik_Neolithic
4.4 Clovis
3.0 Early_European_Farmers
1.2 Western_Hunter_Gatherer
129. Target: Roma_Balkans = Ancient European: 49.6%
Distance: 2.0269% / 0.02026916
33.8 Helmand
29.8 Early_European_Farmers
17.0 Western_Steppe_Herders
11.0 Kura_Araxes
5.0 Natufian
2.8 Western_Hunter_Gatherer
0.6 Han
130. Target: Darginian = Ancient European: 39.4%
Distance: 2.1856% / 0.02185600
59.4 Kura_Araxes
39.4 Western_Steppe_Herders
1.2 Clovis
131. Target: Cypriot = Ancient European: 39%
Distance: 1.4680% / 0.01468046
40.0 Kura_Araxes
34.2 Early_European_Farmers
15.0 Natufian
6.0 Ganj_Dareh_Neolithic
4.8 Western_Steppe_Herders
132. Target: Avar = Ancient European: 36.4%
Distance: 1.7375% / 0.01737538
61.6 Kura_Araxes
36.4 Western_Steppe_Herders
1.4 Levant_Neolithic
0.6 Clovis
133. Target: Nogai = Ancient European: 36.2%
Distance: 8.2591% / 0.08259137
38.6 Han
31.6 Western_Steppe_Herders
10.8 Tepecik_Çiftlik_Neolithic
10.0 Levant_Neolithic
4.6 Early_European_Farmers
3.0 Clovis
1.4 Kura_Araxes
134. Target: Lak = Ancient European: 36%
Distance: 1.5582% / 0.01558245
62.0 Kura_Araxes
36.0 Western_Steppe_Herders
1.8 Han
0.2 Clovis
135. Target: Tabasaran = Ancient European: 33.8%
Distance: 1.4103% / 0.01410344
61.8 Kura_Araxes
33.6 Western_Steppe_Herders
3.8 Levant_Neolithic
0.6 Clovis
0.2 Early_European_Farmers
136. Target: Kumyk = Ancient European: 30.4%
Distance: 2.1478% / 0.02147778
60.6 Kura_Araxes
23.2 Western_Steppe_Herders
7.2 Early_European_Farmers
5.4 Han
2.0 Levant_Neolithic
1.6 Natufian
137. Target: Kabardin = Ancient European: 28.2%
Distance: 2.8883% / 0.02888299
64.4 Kura_Araxes
17.8 Western_Steppe_Herders
8.2 Early_European_Farmers
6.6 Han
2.2 Western_Hunter_Gatherer
0.8 Clovis
138. Target: Chechen = Ancient European: 28.2%
Distance: 2.1936% / 0.02193649
68.8 Kura_Araxes
25.6 Western_Steppe_Herders
3.0 Han
2.6 Early_European_Farmers
139. Target: Cherkess = Ancient European: 26.6%
Distance: 3.1861% / 0.03186116
66.6 Kura_Araxes
18.6 Western_Steppe_Herders
6.4 Han
5.6 Early_European_Farmers
2.4 Western_Hunter_Gatherer
0.4 Clovis
140. Target: Ingushian = Ancient European: 25.8%
Distance: 2.7625% / 0.02762492
70.2 Kura_Araxes
21.8 Western_Steppe_Herders
3.8 Early_European_Farmers
3.6 Han
0.2 Clovis
0.2 Natufian
0.2 Western_Hunter_Gatherer
141. Target: Karachay = Ancient European: 23.4%
Distance: 3.0875% / 0.03087527
69.2 Kura_Araxes
16.8 Western_Steppe_Herders
6.4 Han
4.6 Early_European_Farmers
2.0 Western_Hunter_Gatherer
0.6 Clovis
0.4 Tepecik_Çiftlik_Neolithic
142. Target: Balkar = Ancient European: 23.2%
Distance: 3.0145% / 0.03014509
70.0 Kura_Araxes
18.0 Western_Steppe_Herders
5.6 Han
3.0 Early_European_Farmers
2.2 Western_Hunter_Gatherer
1.2 Clovis
143. Target: North_Ossetian = Ancient European: 15.8%
Distance: 3.8345% / 0.03834520
78.4 Kura_Araxes
13.6 Western_Steppe_Herders
5.8 Han
2.2 Western_Hunter_Gatherer

Kura_Araxes is contaminated by EEF (30-40%) and the Steppe Albinos (5%), it makes a big difference to the Caucasus folks.

[Petalpusher]

Actually EHG is more of the main ancient components of Finns and other NE Europeans such as Karelians, Estonians, other Balts, etc rather than of Europeans as a whole. If I am not wrong, WHG is the main hunter gather component of NW Euros including Norwegians, Swedes rather than EHG.

The main confusion with the fact some calculators will give Euros a lot of EHG and some other calculators give the opposite results with a lot of WHG, is this:

Most of the WHG people actually have today, comes from Pinarbasi, the Anatolian hunter (before they became farmers). Which himself has a clear ancestral relationship with the Iron Gates mesolithic hunters (from Balkan), and generally increased affinity with the WHG that were roaming around the Alps. (Likely some undocumented movements yet from there in the late paleo). Then some reemergence of actual local WHG in the mid neolithic (Loschbour/Villabruna type). So the model is ok in that sense, those 5-20% of WHG could show this reemergence more or less accurately, but it doesn't show all our real WHG ancestry like some other calculators do.

In the same way, most of the EHG a calculator would give to Euros, has been mediated by steppe herders IE/Yamnaya types. And in the same way as the farmers, it carried also something highly basal (Iran_N/CHG) with some actual EHG or ancient AG. So in itself the original post calculation is right but incomplete as farmers and steppe herders carried something else, that pops up in other populations with less than 100% of this model, as they have a surplus of other types of ancestry that doesn't fit neatly into the Euro "standard 3way model".

Even when you consider all this, we still have to remember EHG is like an ANE/AG who got some WHG sometimes at the end of the Paleolithic/early meso. A bit of WHG: turned AG into EHG. A lot of WHG turned AG/EHG into SHG. Could have been the other way or both ways too, WHG going east after the last glacial maximum, and AG chasing mamoth west, likely both ways. Basically you have a North Eurasian cline between WHG and AG/ANE, and everything in between is an intermediate mix.

Let's not even begin with how ANE and Paleo WHG splitted from each others further back in time, somewhere after the main ENA events. The bottom line is strangely enough, both ideas that we are highly WHG and EHG can be correct. I would say in the big scheme of things we are still more WHG because when you actually triangulate Europe with only WHG, ANE and BE, we all come up with little ANE, significantly less than Amerindians or Indians for example. Which could sound strange because IE came last and we are supposed to have a lot of IE. The thing is, yes but they also mixed repeatidly with the farmers after their first expansion in Europe, so more farmers, more WHG... slowly replaced again the IE EHG, and in several waves of settlement, resettlement of Bell Beakers (like one of the recent study on BA Britain)

Yet a bit of ANE and a lot of WHG, can still be quantified as quite a good amount of EHG (or SHG), so it really depends what choices and references the calculator will use.

[Liquid]

The main confusion with the fact some calculators will give Euros a lot of EHG and some other calculators give the opposite results with a lot of WHG, is this:

Most of the WHG people actually have today, comes from Pinarbasi, the Anatolian hunter (before they became farmers).

Pinarbasi (HG) seems very different to WHG, me for reference

Distance to: Liquid_scaled
0.43613263 WHG:I1875

Distance to: TUR_Pinarbasi_HG:ZBC_IPB001
0.42313368 WHG:I1875

[Petalpusher]

Pinarbasi (HG) seems very different to WHG, me for reference

Distance to: Liquid_scaled
0.43613263 WHG:I1875

Distance to: TUR_Pinarbasi_HG:ZBC_IPB001
0.42313368 WHG:I1875

Yes course it's not purely WHG, but it has a lot of it. It's like if you compare yourself to AG, you are not gonna be close. Nor Yamnaya is gonna be close to ANE (still a lot in it)