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I was meaning Polish ones, but honestly I'd be interested in both.Originally Posted by Peterski
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Are you on Anthrogenica? There is user Waldemar there, his wife is 100% Pomeranian Polish from Kociewie.
[and his wife is on GEDmatch but I'm probably not allowed to share her kit number; she also did Global25]
Kociewie is an ethnographic region bordering Kashubia, but they speak Wielkopolski Dialect, not Kashubian:
I'll send you one of my family's kits who has Pomeranian matches (including a German from Balfanz / Białowąs):
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bia%C5%82ow%C4%85s
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My cousin & grandpa's brother have a match with a Pomeranian German from there.
But I think that this German has already deleted her kit from GEDmatch, I'm afraid.
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This woman & her son had a match with my grandpa's brother on GEDmatch and contacted me, but I think they are no longer on GEDmatch:
But they have their website about Balfanz / Białowąs area, so I think I can publish it here - http://gross-kroessin-pommern.info/allgemein/
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Balfanz / Białowąs is right next to the Land of Drahim (which was part of the Polish Crown) - I think the match can be related to that area:
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...West-Pomerania
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I chose Voivodeships because it's easy to check in which Voivodieship a town or village is (wikipedia, google maps)
they also divide Poland into more or less equal parts, so they should show any autosomal clines well.
Historical regions would be better, but I would have to discard some kits then, and maybe also gain some new ones.
My criteria for these averages were at least 3 grandparents from one Voivodeship, and the 4th also ethnic Polish, and from somewhere nearby.
you can check the kits in the folder and see if they can be sorted well into historical regions.
lol.
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OK but you have to make some exceptions because voivodeships do not always make sense.
Just like in Serbia you did not make regional averages only based on administrative divisions.
I can tell you what kind of exceptions have to be made apart from this one.
Apart from the one I already mentioned, another is in Silesian Voivodeship.
Not all of Silesian Voivodeship is composed of Silesian lands - some parts are Lesser Poland.
OK, I'll check. Why do you think these kits would need to be discarded, not just re-assigned?Historical regions would be better, but I would have to discard some kits then, and maybe also gain some new ones.
(...)
you can check (...)
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Example:
If someone has 2 grandparents from Opolskie and 2 from Silesian - from the historically Silesian part of it - then it is a 100% Upper Silesia kit.
If you followed voivodeship borders you would discard this kit as not meeting the requirement of having 3 grandparents from one voivodeship.
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Check my thread about Silesian Voivodeship: https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...-WW2-and-today
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depends on the kit in question. maybe somebody has 4 grandparents born in the same Voivodeship, but 4 different historical regions?
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LOL, that is rather impossible.Voivodeship borders most of the time do follow historical regions.
Some voivodeships include several small historical regions within them (e.g. Kujawsko-Pomorskie).
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BTW here is my division of Poland into regions based on year 1900 administrative borders (counties):
Map 1900 county borders, modern names:
[open the spoiler to see the full size map]
https://i.imgur.com/xXoMkxb.png
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And my division of counties into regions:
[only within present-day Polish borders]
Greater Poland - population ca. year 1900 - 2224893 - of which ethnic Polish: ca. 71%
includes the following counties:
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Northern Poland - population ca. year 1900 - 1696469 - of which ethnic Polish: ca. 55%
[ this region could be sub-divided into smaller ones ]
includes the following counties:
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Kashubia - population ca. year 1900 - 538832 - of which ethnic Kashubian/Polish: ca. 54%
includes the following counties:
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Upper Silesia - population ca. year 1900 - 2105578 - of which ethnic Polish/Silesian: ca. 66%
includes the following counties:
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Central Poland - population ca. year 1900 - 1321039 - of which ethnic Polish: ca. 72%
includes the following counties:
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Lesser Poland North - population ca. year 1900 - 1980129 - of which ethnic Polish: ca. 86%
includes the following counties:
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Lesser Poland South - population ca. year 1900 - 1397314 - of which ethnic Polish: ca. 89%
includes the following counties:
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Polish Mountains - population ca. year 1900 - 1128636 - of which ethnic Polish: ca. 78%
includes the following counties:
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Mazovia - population ca. year 1900 - 2641247 - of which ethnic Polish: ca. 77%
includes the following counties:
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West Red Ruthenia - population ca. year 1900 - 1416731 - of which ethnic Polish: ca. 67%
includes the following counties:
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Sudovia-Podlachia - population ca. year 1900 - 869790 - of which ethnic Polish: ca. 60%
includes the following counties:
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Lublin Land - population ca. year 1900 - 814003 - of which ethnic Polish: ca. 81%
includes the following counties:
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West Polesie - population ca. year 1900 - 323786 - of which ethnic Polish: ca. 67%
includes the following counties:
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Warmia-Masuria - population ca. year 1900 - 644588 - of which ethnic Masurian/Polish: ca. 58%
includes the following counties:
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^^^
Those above were ethnically majority-Polish regions. There are few more that were German in 1900.
And there were also ethnically Polish areas in "Former Eastern Poland", that are not included above:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kresy#Interwar_population
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Thanks, Peterski. I'll take a look at these. I don't remember if I'm on Anthrogenica or not. I had some trouble setting up an account at one point. But I'll look again.
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And now part 2 - ethnically German regions as of 1900:
[county borders like in 1900 but modern Polish names]
Oberland-Bartia - population ca. year 1900 - 433300 (ca. 4% Polish minority)
includes the following counties:
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West Pomerania - population ca. year 1900 - 1002237 (ca. 1% Polish minority)
includes the following counties:
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Neumark (Lebus Land) - population ca. year 1900 - 505994 (ca. 1% Polish minority)
includes the following counties:
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Lower Silesia - population ca. year 1900 - 2767574 (ca. 3% Polish minority)
includes the following counties:
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Land of Kladsko - population ca. year 1900 - 168556 (ca. 1% Polish minority)
includes the following counties:
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