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    Quote Originally Posted by Andullero View Post
    Wonder if the irony wasn't lost to those Victorian types that they were romanticizing Celtic folkways and doing revivalism while spitting on the kin of said folks at the same time.
    As surprising as many might find it now, for a long time many imperialist English types regarded the Irish, Scots and Welsh not that much more highly than the various dusky peoples they ruled overseas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tooting Carmen View Post
    That's what I meant - the Irish have always been welcomed in the US (in part because of their whiteness, but not just that) in a way that really wasn't true for a long time in Britain.
    I apologize. I thought that you meant that those "no Irish need apply" signs were here until the 1960s.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ayetooey View Post
    I know. TA is full of pan Europeanists who think every European immigrant is perfect; but Poles (and nothing against Poland as a country) integrate horribly here, and much worse than say British Indians or even Nigerians.
    It is their Russian heritage/culture.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tooting Carmen View Post
    Yeah the Irish certainly didn't enjoy that much White privilege for much of their history in Britain. (The US is another matter, of course). Until the 1960's, shop signs would commonly say "No Blacks, No Dogs, No Irish".
    Do you have any proof that sign was common? Or is it yet more anti-English revisionism.

    https://www.theguardian.com/money/20...-dogs-no-proof

    There's only one photo of such a sign that surfaced in the 80s, which has become a meme ever since, for pro-immigration purposes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Creoda View Post
    Do you have any proof that sign was common? Or is it yet more anti-English revisionism.

    https://www.theguardian.com/money/20...-dogs-no-proof

    There's only one photo of such a sign that surfaced in the 80s, which has become a meme ever since, for pro-immigration purposes.
    Like I said, those signs largely if not entirely disappeared from the 60s onwards due to both legislation and changing attitudes.

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    Anyway, I regard the Irish as fellow British Isles people and not as foreigners, and I am sure I am far from alone in thinking that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tooting Carmen View Post
    Like I said, those signs largely if not entirely disappeared from the 60s onwards due to both legislation and changing attitudes.
    They weren't common in the first place, if they existed at all. It's just another way for people to slander the English, and further make an equivalency between Irish immigration in the past and modern non-white immigration.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Creoda View Post
    They weren't common in the first place, if they existed at all. It's just another way for people to slander the English, and further make an equivalency between Irish immigration in the past and modern non-white immigration.
    Well what is certain is that Eastern Euro immigration here isn't popular with some people either, and in some towns such as Boston in Lincolnshire it has actually been a much bigger issue than any kind of non-white immigration.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tooting Carmen View Post
    Well what is certain is that Eastern Euro immigration here isn't popular with some people either, and in some towns such as Boston in Lincolnshire it has actually been a much bigger issue than any kind of non-white immigration.
    It's largely because of the sheer numbers they came at such a rapid pace.

    In 2004, there were 20,000 Poles living in the UK.

    By 2011, there was 1 million (i.e. 1 in every 67 people in the UK was Polish). I personally have progressive views when it comes to immigration but that's far too many too quick, and that doesn't include Romanians, Bulgarians, Lithuanians etc.

    The Polish population has since declined to around 700,000-800,000 since Brexit.

    I do disagree with people who say eastern europeans aren't integrated, first generations are never going to fully integrate and Poles and such haven't been here long enough to judge, but I'm quite certain most of their children and grandchildren will intermarry and become British.

    I agree also that most British Asians are integrated but some of the Pakistani communities particularly in the North of england like Oldham, Blackburn, Bradford, Rotherham aren't and there is some big divisions in some of those towns.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sharpshooter View Post
    It's largely because of the sheer numbers they came at such a rapid pace.

    In 2004, there were 20,000 Poles living in the UK.

    By 2011, there was 1 million (i.e. 1 in every 67 people in the UK was Polish). I personally have progressive views when it comes to immigration but that's far too many too quick, and that doesn't include Romanians, Bulgarians, Lithuanians etc.

    The Polish population has since declined to around 700,000-800,000 since Brexit.

    I do disagree with people who say eastern europeans aren't integrated, first generations are never going to fully integrate and Poles and such haven't been here long enough to judge, but I'm quite certain most of their children and grandchildren will intermarry and become British.

    I agree also that most British Asians are integrated but some of the Pakistani communities particularly in the North of england like Oldham, Blackburn, Bradford, Rotherham aren't and there is some big divisions in some of those towns.
    Pakistanis haven’t integrated at all and probably never will; they’re just very culturally isolated and extremely conservative. While it’s true that EE British born children are often integrated, many 1st gen migrants aren’t here for the purposes of integration but just to work for a few years before returning home (which many have done and will do). Don’t agree that a first gen immigrant can never integrate West Europeans and migrants from the Anglosphere easily integrate.

    Agree that they came too quick, and this extreme speed of migration from EE was the driving cause of brexit.

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