Daos E-V13 Subclade Yfull

[MechtoidAfalouHG]

"East Slavic with a dash of Balkan"



Aren't you 1/4 Polish as well?

Yeah but my Polish side is literally from the border with Ukraine. So East Slavic just makes sense overall.

[vbnetkhio]

It seems like a clade that spread westward with proto-celts, East with proto-Iranians(found in decent amounts in Kurdistan), south with proto-Mycenaean and some remained in the carpathian region/east Balkan region where it was probably picked up from. The current tree doesn't show that it is today widely spread in the Moldova, Romania, or Balkan region as other clades dominate there. Most common place is England. So we’ll see how many more samples pop up in the future.

it's too young for proto-Iranians and Mycenaeans. It probably came to the Caucasus during Roman times, and to Greece maybe even later, with the Aromanians.
proto-Celts possible, but it's more likely Romans brought it to England like some other e-v13 subclades.

yeah, maybe this is actually one of the most common Romanian/Moldovan subclades, but we can't know until more people test.

btw. check the live version, you will be placed in your own subclade equally distant from everybody else. And the Romanian and 2 Greeks will form a subclade together.

[MechtoidAfalouHG]

it's too young for proto-Iranians and Mycenaeans. It probably came to the Caucasus during Roman times, and to Greece maybe even later, with the Aromanians.
proto-Celts possible, but it's more likely Romans brought it to England like some other e-v13 subclades.

yeah, maybe this is actually one of the most common Romanian/Moldovan subclades, but we can't know until more people test.

btw. check the live version, you will be placed in your own subclade equally distant from everybody else. And the Romanian and 2 Greeks will form a subclade together.

Is 4200 ybp equivalent to 4200 BCE?

[vbnetkhio]

Is 4200 ybp equivalent to 4200 BCE?

no, ybp - years before present.

[MechtoidAfalouHG]

no, ybp - years before present.

That would make the age of this haplogroup around 2,200 BCE. That's in line with Sintashta which existed 2400–1800 BCE. So it really isn't too young for proto-Iranians. I am just trying to understand the existence of this haplo in Kurds in significant amounts, and even Ossetians, Tajiks, Tatars. Basically everywhere Iranians had a presence.

Also what is the dominant Vlach clade? Do Vlach even carry decent amounts of E-S7461?

[vbnetkhio]

That would make the age of this haplogroup around 2,200 BCE. That's in line with Sintashta which existed 2400–1800 BCE. So it really isn't too young for proto-Iranians. I am just trying to understand the existence of this haplo in Kurds in significant amounts, and even Ossetians, Tajiks, Tatars. Basically everywhere Iranians had a presence.

I was talking just about E-Y150909.

Yeah, E-S7461 has that presence in western Asia. It could hardly be from Sintashta though, if that was the case than it would be all over India and the -stan countries. And it's actually all over Europe, but in West Asia too.

Maybe Scythians got it from Dacians, and then spread it to Tatarstan and Caucasus/Middle East. It's distribution in the middle east matches the Scythian invasions well.

Also what is the dominant Vlach clade? Do Vlach even carry decent amounts of E-S7461?

nobody knows, Aromanians don't have a DNA project, there is only one Aromanian in the Albanian project, he is E-V13>CTS9320>Z16988>Z27131>BY62310. Probably many of those with a Romanian or Greek flag are actually Aromanian, but we can't know.

here's what Nevgen predictor predicts for Aromanian haplotypes from the Y-DNA study on them, plus that one from the Albanian project.
The prediction isn't 100% reliable.

E1b1b V13>>Z5018> BY167150	14	43.75
E1b1b V13>>Z5018> A2192	9	28.125
E1b1b V13>>Z5017	3	9.375
E1b1b V13>>Z5018> S2979> FGC11457	3	9.375
E1b1b V13>>z5017>> Z19851	1	3.125
E1b1b V13>>Z5017>> Z17264	1	3.125
E-V13>CTS9320>Z16988>Z27131>BY62310	1	3.125

[Voskos]

Yeah its E-Y150909. The only other matches within that subclade are Romanian and Greek.

Well I guess you're Vlach then.

[MechtoidAfalouHG]

Well I guess you're Vlach then.

According to live I think I’m actually forming a separate subclade on my own away from those guys lol but it will be for sure when the full results arrive in a couple of days.

Also the Greeks are from Arcadia if I’m not mistaken it’s not a place that was ever occupied by Vlach. I would call myself Vlach if I got Z5018

[MechtoidAfalouHG]

I was talking just about E-Y150909.

Yeah, E-S7461 has that presence in western Asia. It could hardly be from Sintashta though, if that was the case than it would be all over India and the -stan countries. And it's actually all over Europe, but in West Asia too.

Maybe Scythians got it from Dacians, and then spread it to Tatarstan and Caucasus/Middle East. It's distribution in the middle east matches the Scythian invasions well.





nobody knows, Aromanians don't have a DNA project, there is only one Aromanian in the Albanian project, he is E-V13>CTS9320>Z16988>Z27131>BY62310. Probably many of those with a Romanian or Greek flag are actually Aromanian, but we can't know.

here's what Nevgen predictor predicts for Aromanian haplotypes from the Y-DNA study on them, plus that one from the Albanian project.
The prediction isn't 100% reliable.

E1b1b V13>>Z5018> BY167150	14	43.75
E1b1b V13>>Z5018> A2192	9	28.125
E1b1b V13>>Z5017	3	9.375
E1b1b V13>>Z5018> S2979> FGC11457	3	9.375
E1b1b V13>>z5017>> Z19851	1	3.125
E1b1b V13>>Z5017>> Z17264	1	3.125
E-V13>CTS9320>Z16988>Z27131>BY62310	1	3.125

We need to start a charity, YFull testing for Vlach foundation

[Ion Basescul]

Well I guess you're Vlach then.

More like Dacian imo. I think that Vlachs are tied more to variations of J2 and R1b.

Haplogroup	Vlach Albania	Vlach Macedonia	Constanta (Vlachs)	Vlach Avg
R1b	14%	25%	33%	24%
R1a	2%	18%	2%	10%
I2	26%	19%	19%	21%
J2	34%	17%	38%	26%
E1b1b	17%	19%	7%	16%
J1	0%	0%	0%	0%
G2a	7%	3%	0%	3%
I1	0%	0%	0%	0%
N1c	0%	0%	0%	0%
T	0%	0%	0%	0%
G1	0%	0%	0%	0%
Q1	0%	0%	0%	0%
E (other)	0%	0%	0%	0%
Other	0%	0%	0%	0%
Total	58	108	42	208

Haplogroup	Oltenia	Muntenia	Dobrogea	Wallachia	Transylvania	Moldavia	Republic of Moldova
R1b	15%	15%	18%	15%	19.5%	13%	10.5%
R1a	20%	12%	8%	15%	19%	18%	30%
I2	26%	23%	38%	25%	25.5%	32%	29%
J2	13%	19%	8%	16%	13%	14%	5%
E1b1b	15.5%	16%	8%	16%	12%	10%	14%
J1	1%	2%	0%	1%	1%	1%	2%
G2a	2%	6%	13%	5%	2%	3%	1%
I1	5.5%	4%	0%	4%	3%	6%	3.5%
N1c	0.5%	1%	5%	1%	2%	2%	3%
T	0.5%	1%	0%	1%	2%	0%	2%
G1	0%	0%	0%	0%	0%	0%	0%
Q1	0%	0.5%	0%	1%	1%	0%	0%
E (other)	1%	0%	2%	1%	0%	0%	0%
Other	0%	0.5%	0%	0%	0%	1%	0%
Total	234	293	39	566	340	191	229