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    Default Florin CUrta's new book "Slavs in the making..."

    Have anyone read it yet and is it worth of its pretty high price? Thanks for shout outs
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    Didn't read it, but have very low opinion about Florin Curta. He is well known revisionist denying mass Slavic migrations to south-eastern Europe and claiming Slavs spread primarily trough cultural diffusion (ofc him being Romanian has a lot do to with his outdated bias). Maybe book is quality, but I wouldn't consider anything he writes.

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    Curta's theory that Slavs are an Byzantine invention makes no sense now in light of their genetic results. A significant portion of the book is dedicated to showing that Korchak material (widely recognized as the footprint of the Early Slavs) south of the Carpathians are older than those from the northeast, but Curta ignores that these sub-Carpathian settlements are initially sparse and only become denser later, pointing towards a gradual migraton from somewhere else. After his book was published, very early Korchak settlements were found in Podolia, far to the northeast of the Carpathians, which makes one of the pillars of his theory to crumble. His theories are widely rejected by both western and Slavic scholars and a discrete, well-defined Proto-Slavic homeland northeast of the Carpathian basin remains favored by the vast majority. There are upcoming genetic studies that will lend further support to it.

    EDIT: my comment refers to his previous book of similar name, "The Making of the Slavs". I doubt his theory has changed significantly in this new one based on what he says in one of his recent videos.
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    Evidence against his theories is overwhelming

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maur...lkan_campaigns

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    He's wrong about the Slavic migrations - they definitely took place.

    If you follow the NA and Baltic components of K13 in ancient samples from Central Eastern Europe you can clearly see a dramatic change in the period between 100 and 1000 AD (to 30%NA and 50%Baltic). The Balkans also change but not so much (to 30%NA and 30%Baltic).

    It should be mentioned that populations with high Baltic existed the northern half of Western Europe even prior the Yamnaya invasion. Nordic populations were 50%NA and 50%Baltic even before that, and proto-Germanic populations were 50%NA and 20%Baltic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ixulescu View Post
    He's wrong about the Slavic migrations - they definitely took place.

    If you follow the NA and Baltic components of K13 in ancient samples from Central Eastern Europe you can clearly see a dramatic change in the period between 100 and 1000 AD (to 30%NA and 50%Baltic). The Balkans also change but not so much (to 30%NA and 30%Baltic).

    It should be mentioned that populations with high Baltic existed the northern half of Western Europe even prior the Yamnaya invasion. Nordic populations were 50%NA and 50%Baltic even before that, and proto-Germanic populations were 50%NA and 20%Baltic.
    Not even Poles score 50% Baltic, that's a figure for Balts and eventually heavily Baltic admixed Belarusians.
    30% Baltic is not average for Balkans overall, but lower than that.

    Also Balkanites score significantly less than 30% north Atlantic on average.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stearsolina View Post
    Not even Poles score 50% Baltic, that's a figure for Balts and eventually heavily Baltic admixed Belarusians.
    30% Baltic is not average for Balkans overall, but lower than that.

    Also Balkanites score significantly less than 30% north Atlantic on average.
    My figures are obvious approximations, with an error in the +/- 5% range. I wasn't going to put numbers for every population out there, because everyone scores a little different.

    The important point I was making is the dramatic difference from before the Slavic migration to after: Baltic component rises from roughly 20 to 50% in Poland and from 10 to 30% in the Balkans. It should be noted that many Scythian and Sarmatian samples already had 20 to 30% Baltic component by late Antiquity.

    I think Curta makes interesting (but hard to prove) observations regarding the Slavic language and culture but he's wrong about the Slavic migrations.

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    Slavic migration did not really affect the local populations. It's overdone on this forum, if you have light eyes everyone will scream Slavic, but the light mutations have affected all of Europe, initially originating in the Black Sea. There is something special about the Aryan Balkanites that we should not forget, the Ev-13 lineage with light eyes, it is a gift from god, a sign that youre one descendant of Spartacus the great .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Token View Post
    There are upcoming genetic studies that will lend further support to it.

    EDIT: my comment refers to his previous book of similar name, "The Making of the Slavs". I doubt his theory has changed significantly in this new one based on what he says in one of his recent videos.
    What studies do you mean? Who will do them and when will they be published?
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