In which country is the link between race/ethnicity and social class stronger: UK or France?

[Tooting Carmen]

Transfered to hospitals in Germany also...I can't see the British lowering themselves to that point.

Well in fairness, during the worst of their outbreaks even Italian and Portuguese patients were flown to Germany for treatment too. (Why has Germany coped better than many other Western Euro countries during the pandemic?)

Government spending in France is like an octopus, did you know that all the mainstream media (tvs, newspapers, radios) are subsidized by the state and journalists/reporters have considerable fiscal advantages?

Yeah, l'etatisme in France takes the biscuit.

[Sebastianus Rex]

He's right in that the far-right is still far bigger in France than in the UK.

So what ? Now it's already too late for them ...the UK is not on the same level of perdition and they didn't needed a strong far right ( Wich is indeed socialist to the core) to tell the EU to fuck off.

[Tooting Carmen]

My ex-girlfriend grew up in France, and the French seem to me to be much less contemptuous of their native culture. I've never met a French person who would speak badly of their own culture, but I've met plenty of Anglos that unabashedly espouse contempt for their own country.

French are proud and boisterous in their patriotism in much the same way as Americans are - flag-waving, anthem-chanting etc. (Ironic, given how much spite there is between those two countries). This hasn't stopped either country from being among the most multiethnic on Earth.

[Faklon]

My ex-girlfriend grew up in France, and the French seem to me to be much less contemptuous of their native culture. I've never met a French person who would speak badly of their own culture, but I've met plenty of Anglos that unabashedly espouse contempt for their own country.

This is a lack of self critique/realization that (unfortunately) thrives in Southern Europe too but French nationalism basically translates into speaking French and maybe carrying a baguette.

[Sebastianus Rex]

Well in fairness, during the worst of their outbreaks even Italian and Portuguese patients were flown to Germany for treatment too. (Why has Germany coped better than many other Western Euro countries during the pandemic?)



Yeah, l'etatisme in France takes the biscuit.

Germany has more hospital beds per 1000 people, it is better prepared for such a crisis and maybe they also gave early treatments ( but I don't know it for sure, just speculating).

I think Portuguese patients weren't flown to Germany, they only talked about it but then instead sent a task force of 26 doctors and nurses to help out in a hospital.

[Sebastianus Rex]

My ex-girlfriend grew up in France, and the French seem to me to be much less contemptuous of their native culture. I've never met a French person who would speak badly of their own culture, but I've met plenty of Anglos that unabashedly espouse contempt for their own country.

That's because the French are brainwashed since childhood that their culture is superior to all the others, their cuisine is the best, their bread is the best, their wine is the best, their literature is the best, their Napoleon was the greatest, their revolution was the mother of all revolutions, they won the 2nd WW thanks to the French Resistance etc etc and nauseum...at least the Brits are realistic about it, if their food is shite they say it out loud and are open to enjoy what the rest of the world can offers them....but when it takes to defend their land if the shit hits the fan I bet the avg Brit football hooligan is more willing to do it than the avg french who talks too much and does nothing.

[Tooting Carmen]

That's because the French are brainwashed since childhood that their culture is superior to all the others, their cuisine is the best, their bread is the best, their wine is the best, their literature is the best, their Napoleon was the greatest, their revolution was the mother of all revolutions, they won the 2nd WW thanks to the French Resistance etc etc and nauseum...at least the Brits are realistic about it, if their food is shite they say it out loud and are open to enjoy what the rest of the world can offers them....but when it takes to defend their land if the shit hits the fan I bet the avg Brit football hooligan is more willing to do it than the avg french who talks too much and does nothing.

Yeah I've said for years that "the French talk, while the British do".

[Tooting Carmen]

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[French Rolland]

France is chauvinistic. Even the left. You see leftists bragging about scandinavian social system but they still think the country is great. In reality it's worse than true opposition because their vision of France is a ghetto filled with all the low-iq people who live on welfare. About the main topic, most of africans and north africans who are rich here are from the elites in their own countries. Like families of ministers. Others can go rich but it's mostly from the underground. You can see the worst ghetto from the 50's filled with sport cars because they sell weeds.

[Centurion]

Both in equal measure. If Brown and Black people fail, it's mostly due to genetic factors. So the differences of economical and social system of their host country will barely change anything to that.

That's because the French are brainwashed since childhood that their culture is superior to all the others,

That retarded Portos obviously has not spent his childhood in France, or be educated in a school in France, or even in any school.

their cuisine is the best, their bread is the best, their wine is the best, their literature is the best, their Napoleon was the greatest, their revolution was the mother of all revolutions, they won the 2nd WW thanks to the French Resistance

Almost no French believe, or have been taught that the French cuisine is the best of have the best literature, or the best wine. But most know, that French are among the best for this and better than Iberans. Not because of French chauvinism, but because these are objective truth, which is even recognised in the Anglosphere. In fact, foreigners are much more prone to praise French culture and be Francophile than French themselves.

Iberians, however, know that they are inferior, and that their history has been failure and mediocrity since at least the 18th century. That's why they are brainwashed since childhood that they are the best and try to denigrate others Western Europeans, in an attempt to cope with ther inferiority complex.

France is on the podium for the best cuisine, and is better than the IP: https://edition.cnn.com/travel/artic...res/index.html https://www.morethanshipping.com/top...-in-the-world/

France is also recognised as the best wine maker nations:

https://all.accor.com/gb/united-king...ns-3c795.shtml

Unsurprisingly, France tops the chart as the best wine producing country.

French literature is recognised worldwide as among the best. Unlike the Iberian one, which is more mediocre than Indian and Arabic literature. Their number of significant figures in literature is insignificant compared with the number of significant figures in France. In literature like in others fields. Just look at these thread about literature and which country is the best at it. You will see that France is quoted numerous times, while Iberian countries almost never.

https://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/sho....php?t=1119379
https://www.quora.com/Which-culture-...rld-literature
https://www.quora.com/Which-country-...n-your-opinion
https://www.quora.com/Which-is-the-r...-of-literature
https://www.quora.com/Which-European...est-literature

Most French know that there was an American Revolution and an English Revolution before. But the French Revolution had greater impact on the following revolutionary movement in Europe and even in Latin America, and was more an inspiration than the Anglo-Saxons revolutions. So, in that sense, the French Revolution was indeed the mothers of all ones.

Napoléon is absolutely not presented as "the greatest", he is a controversional figure who is disliked and even loathed by a lage part of French from the far-left to the far-right. He is considered as great, yes, because he objectively was, but not as "the greatest". But he was greater than any Iberian who ever existed, that's true.

Almost no French believe that France has won because of the French Resistance. French are not like the Iberians, who are delusional and have been brainwashed since childhood to believe that they could have won the Peninsular War without the help of the Brits or if most of Europe had not coalised against France, despite their troops were so mediocre than they bite the dust countless times against the French, despite their were more numerous than the French and fought on their own ground.

Brits are realistic about it, if their food is shite they say it

Brits are realistic. That's why they say their food is shit, and also why the French cuisine is recognised in the Anglosphere as among the best of the worlds, and better than Iberian cuisine.

the avg Brit football hooligan is more willing to do it than the avg french

Hooliganism is more a British thing than a French thing. Yes. And that's not a very good point for the Brits. However, when they have been routed by the Germans in 1940 and had to flee to their rainy island while the French were covering their ass it was another story.