Is Sweden really as liberal as the meme?

**Lemminkäinen** · 07-29-2021, 01:03 PM

They are liberal, because Finnish immigrants in the 60s teached them to be.

**Östsvensk** · 07-29-2021, 01:11 PM

Originally Posted by Lemminkäinen

They are liberal, because Finnish immigrants in the 60s teached them to be.

They were the testing model for immigration. Sweden must have seen how good it worked and since then they have kept wanting more.

Mitryejd · 07-29-2021, 01:37 PM

**Tooting Carmen** · 07-29-2021, 01:58 PM

Originally Posted by Ayetooey

Is that really your definition of liberal? Would you also consider countries like Cuba, DR, Colombia and Brazil to be 'very liberal' just because of their high-levels of race-mixing? Besides, my impression talking to regular Swedes about immigration etc. is that their attitude towards foreigners is more paternalistic rather than genuinely friendly and open, i.e. foreigners exist to be helped but not really befriended.

As for Swedish attitudes towards drugs and sex, they are certainly NOT liberal in the Dutch or even German sense: men who buy the services of prostitutes are heavily punished, and forget about the prospect of legalising cannabis there.

**Ayetooey** · 07-29-2021, 02:06 PM

Originally Posted by Tooting Carmen

Is that really your definition of liberal? Would you also consider countries like Cuba, DR, Colombia and Brazil to be 'very liberal' just because of their high-levels of race-mixing? Besides, my impression talking to regular Swedes about immigration etc. is that their attitude towards foreigners is more paternalistic rather than genuinely friendly and open, i.e. foreigners exist to be helped but not really befriended.

As for Swedish attitudes towards drugs and sex, they are certainly NOT liberal in the Dutch or even German sense: men who buy the services of prostitutes are heavily punished, and forget about the prospect of legalising cannabis there.

The LATAM countries you mentioned are just crime ridden hellholes, difficult to place on the left vs right spectrum which is very Eurocentrist IMO.

Swedish societies view on pretty much all social issues bar the ones you mentioned are heavily left wing; and Germany despite being more tolerant towards prostitution, has at the least plenty of traditional christian communities in the south, and the whole eastern half of Germany which is very socially conservative.

**Daco Celtic** · 07-29-2021, 02:11 PM

Originally Posted by Ayetooey

Lol...what do the Czech Republic and Slovakia have against Asians? They really stand out.

**Östsvensk** · 07-29-2021, 02:12 PM

Originally Posted by Tooting Carmen

Is that really your definition of liberal? Would you also consider countries like Cuba, DR, Colombia and Brazil to be 'very liberal' just because of their high-levels of race-mixing? Besides, my impression talking to regular Swedes about immigration etc. is that their attitude towards foreigners is more paternalistic rather than genuinely friendly and open, i.e. foreigners exist to be helped but not really befriended.

As for Swedish attitudes towards drugs and sex, they are certainly NOT liberal in the Dutch or even German sense: men who buy the services of prostitutes are heavily punished, and forget about the prospect of legalising cannabis there.

Yeah, considering how irreligious the Swedes are, they can really be prude when it comes to sex such as prostitution.

**Tooting Carmen** · 07-29-2021, 02:16 PM

Originally Posted by Östsvensk

Yeah, considering how irreligious the Swedes are, they can really be prude when it comes to sex such as prostitution.

But for feminist reasons rather than socially conservative or religious ones. I think you'd find the Netherlands, Germany and even Spain and Czechia to be more liberal (in a classical, i.e. libertarian sense) on these sorts of issues than Sweden is.