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    Quote Originally Posted by Archduke View Post
    You won't build your new identity based on lies and stealing other culture. Create your own, unique, separate identity, history, collective memory.

    If you don't, you will see what Serbs and Albanians prepare for you.
    Stealing others culture? Mr B’lgari, your name is Turko-Asian with a Serbian culture, first look at yourself before you comment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crn Volk View Post
    10%? Last census there were 1,500 Bulgarians in Macedonia. That's not 10% of 2mil. Wait for the next census before making such ridiculous claims.

    As for early Macedonists, there's alot more than 4-5

    https://bg.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9A...81%D1%82%D0%B8

    https://bg.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9A...81%D1%82%D0%B8
    Last census was like 20 years ago in fyrom. Your country is afraid of censuses, but thats another topic.

    About the Macedonists - great. Have them all and build your identity based on these people. Doesn't matter that many of them are not ethnic Macedonians.

    It's funny how many fyromians put on Facebok collages "Gotse e Makedonija". No, Georgi Delchev is not Macedonia and stop claiming people who delcared themsleves as Bulgarian and died long ago, as fyromian.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Novi Pazar View Post
    Stealing others culture? Mr B’lgari, your name is Turko-Asian with a Serbian culture, first look at yourself before you comment.
    Don't be funny. What is Servian (servant-slave) culture? When I think of it, in the recent 20-30 years, it's only turbo-folk music and pleskavica.. Yeah, many Bulgarians like it the way they like hamburgers.

    The Orthodox Slavic world, especially on the Balkans, originates from the Bulgarian medieval civilization. Serbs (servants or slaves), as their name suggest, were servants of the Bulgarians and the Byzantines during Medieval times.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Archduke View Post
    Last census was like 20 years ago in fyrom. Your country is afraid of censuses, but thats another topic.

    About the Macedonists - great. Have them all and build your identity based on these people. Doesn't matter that many of them are not ethnic Macedonians.

    It's funny how many fyromians put on Facebok collages "Gotse e Makedonija". No, Georgi Delchev is not Macedonia and stop claiming people who delcared themsleves as Bulgarian and died long ago, as fyromian.
    Anyone who fought for an independent Macedonia is a hero of Macedonia, regardless of their ethnicity. As an independent state we get to decide who are our national heroes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crn Volk View Post
    Anyone who fought for an independent Macedonia is a hero of Macedonia, regardless of their ethnicity. As an independent state we get to decide who are our national heroes.
    Thats fine as long as you interpret the historical reallity instead if making up history to fit your agenda

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crn Volk View Post


    The resolution calls for the following:

    – That the negotiations are led on a basis of equality and on principles, with due respect for international law, without conditioning between the sides, and with full respect of the dignity of the Macedonian nation;

    – That the negotiations fully respect the findings of the Macedonian scientists regarding the autochthonous character of the Macedonian nation and its historic, linguistic, cultural and religious continuity;

    According to the resolution, there should be full respect for the findings, established facts, accepted theories and empirical studies by contemporary international Slavicists, linguists, historians and experts in international law, who indicate that:

    – The Macedonian language and its dialects have continuity in this space and in time;

    – The Macedonian identity derives its legitimacy from centuries of traditions, customs, collective memory, mentality, language, articulated consciousness about its ethnic and cultural uniqueness, collective integrity, respect for traditional religious institutions, and the narrative of belonging to a certain geographic and historic space;

    – That the shared areas of memory between the Balkan and Mediterranean nations are approached inclusively, and not with exclusive claims of history and tradition, and that they continue to be approached with full intellectual liberty, and not from a position of historic stereotypes and illusions of cultural and historic hegemony;

    The resolution calls for continuing the EU accession process:

    – In the spirit of mutual respect and valuing the efforts our side has put in meeting the required criteria;

    – Relying on the positive and generally accepted international conventions and declarations of the United Nations that protect the right to self-determination and human rights and liberties;

    – With full respect for the freely expressed will of the Macedonian people, and of its ethnic and spiritual uniqueness.
    Finally stated that our identity is not negotiable nor for sale.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crn Volk View Post
    You must have a really old grandmother

    Petko Slaveykov, 1871;



    Temko Popov, 1888;



    There are about 3 million of us in the world. Good luck trying to deconstruct our ethnicity. You've been doing it for a while now and gotten nowhere....
    Popov, from your source:
    Temko Popov (Cyrillic: Темко Попов) was a pro-Macedonian activist and Serbian national worker in the Ottoman Empire. He espoused in his youth some kind of a vague Macedonian identity turned later into Serbian nationalism.[1]
    His path was similar to other 19th century Bulgarians who fell under Serb propaganda except for the fact that he went full-Serb and remained so to his dying day. He worked for the Serbian diplomatic service from 1888-1913, and was mayor of Ohrid twice when it was under Serbian rule. That's quite the bio. Probably deserves to be called history's #1 Srboman.

    Assuming Slaveykov's quote is real, seems like he's accurately describing Serbian propaganda from that period.

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