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    Quote Originally Posted by Supercomputer View Post
    I'm just going to focus on small part of the CRT, which I think is the most important and which bother me the most.

    CRT is among other things based on the following premises:
    - That Whiteness is artificial
    - That Whiteness is oppressive
    So in short, they say it's an artificial idea that oppresses people. Those premises are the main reason why increasing number of intellectuals today buy into the idea that so called "Whiteness" should be abolished
    So, to intellectually defeat it, you need to show people it's main premises are wrong mainly that Whiteness ISN'T artificial and that it ISN'T oppressive.

    1.)Show them that "Whiteness" is NOT an artificial construct
    - Europeans form a distinct genetic cluster separate from Middle Eastern and North African people. Greeks are closer to the French than to Turks, Portuguese are closer to Scandinavians than to Northwest Africans and Russians are closer to the British than to Central Asians. There is also a common European culture and history going back to Greece and Rome as well as common religion.

    - Remind them that "Whiteness" would exist even if there was no slavery or colonialism. One of the most annoying ideas floating in the left wing circles is this idea that "race and White people was/were invented in order to justify slavery and colonialism. This is demonstrably false. Even if Europeans never settled in the New World, never practised slavery and always minded their own business, as the world eventually became globalized, so called Whiteness or some level of pan European identity would sooner or later emerge at least to some extent. A British person would still look at a Dutchman and clearly see he is more similar to him both physically as well as culturally than someone from Korea, Nigeria or the Americas.

    2.) Debunk the idea that Whiteness is oppressive
    Remind them that:
    - Colonialism was universal to all parts of the world and had nothing to do with race.
    - Europe was victim of colonialism as much as it was the perpetrator
    - Slavery was universal to everyone and had nothing to do with race
    - Europeans were the victims of non White slavery

    3.) Remind them that Whites are the least racist race in the world.
    Show them that Whites treat racial minorities better than anyone else. Whites will not only allow large burdensome racial minorities to live in their countries, they will actually give them privileges like Affirmative action and it's European equivalents as well as diversity quotas. But not only that; they will go a step further and demonize themselves and teach totally one sided, exaggerated and de-contextualized narratives of history just to attempt to minimize the natural resentment against minorities that live in their countries at their expense. Chinese would never do that. Arabs would never do that. Indians would never do that. Only White people. Yet how are they thanked? By being demonized and attacked as the only perpetrators of racism.

    3. Show them that race is NOT just a social construct

    The idea that race is just a social construct stems from several logical fallacies namely the continuum fallacy as well as deconstructionist fallacy. If race is a social construct then so are colors. You can philosophically deconstruct any concept you want. A species could also be seen as a social construct. So can a chair.

    4. Remind them that racism would exist even if there would be no White people. Leftists believe racism is the greatest evil in the world. Because of very one sided narratives of history the first association of "racism" is racism of Whites against Blacks or non Whites. However racism ie tribalism is universal to all human races and even if White people were truly bread out of existence, racism would still exist. For example the only reason tensions between Blacks and Hispanics in the United States aren't higher is because they both still politically align under the same ideology against White people.

    5. And finally even if Whiteness was really artificial and it really oppressed people (which it isn't and it doesn't) the solution would not be to abolish White people. The solution would be just to leave White people alone and live in countries where White people can't oppress you. Separation is not oppression. In fact, separation is the opposite of oppression. (All groups that were oppressed throughout history sought secession from their oppressors). Take Japaneseness for example. Is it a social construct? Yes (all ethnic groups are social constructs) Has it historically oppressed people? Yes. Does it oppress people today? Yes. There are Koreans and Chinese living in Japan and they are discriminated against by Japanese. Yet does anyone push for so called Japaneseness to be abolished? No. If you don't want to be oppressed by Japanese, don't live in Japan. The same with so called Whiteness. If you don't want to be "oppressed" by Whites, don't live among Whites.
    In CRT Cultural Marxism White is not racial, whiteness is system of government, religion, nuclear family, work ethic etc. An AA museum posted this, got dragged then removed it. CRT seeks to destroy W. Civilization, constitutions, borders, countries etc.

    In Smithsonian Race Guidelines, Rational Thinking and Hard Work Are White Values
    The Smithsonian National Museum of African American History and Culture recently unveiled guidelines for talking about race. A graphic displayed in the guidelines, entitled "Aspects and Assumptions of Whiteness in the United States," declares that rational thinking and hard work, among others, are white values.

    In the section, Smithsonian declares that "objective, rational, linear thinking," "quantitative emphasis," "hard work before play," and various other values are aspects and assumptions of whiteness.
    https://www.newsweek.com/smithsonian...values-1518333

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    Quote Originally Posted by Supercomputer View Post

    1.)Show them that "Whiteness" is NOT an artificial construct
    - Europeans form a distinct genetic cluster separate from Middle Eastern and North African people. Greeks are closer to the French than to Turks, Portuguese are closer to Scandinavians than to Northwest Africans and Russians are closer to the British than to Central Asians. There is also a common European culture and history going back to Greece and Rome as well as common religion.
    It is an artificial construct, PCAs and their clusters have already shown their flaws and we talk in terms of continuums not really strictly defined clusters. Ancient greeks (at least the datas we have for the moment) were even more southern shifted than modern day aegean greeks which clearly mean slavic migrations did impact mainland Greece. Romans certainly never felt any sense of "european" pride. Christianity is a pure "semitic" product born in Palestine and Catholicism itself was born in North-West Africa.



    Quote Originally Posted by Supercomputer View Post

    2.) Debunk the idea that Whiteness is oppressive
    Remind them that:
    - Colonialism was universal to all parts of the world and had nothing to do with race.
    - Europe was victim of colonialism as much as it was the perpetrator
    - Slavery was universal to everyone and had nothing to do with race
    - Europeans were the victims of non White slavery
    - Not a single colonial movements can really be compared to the european one which affected the whole planet and in general to the detriment of local populations and yes it had all to do with races since one of their justification was that superior races needed to brought civilization to the inferior ones. We see a whole continent being whiped out of 90% of its population, cultures destroyed, imposed christianity, segregation/discrimination along with caste systems but yet you dare to say "colonialism is universal" ?


    - "Europe" wasn't victim of any of this, only some localized areas saw migrations of new populations and it was of course way less violent than what we saw later during the XIXth century with west european colonialism.

    - It was indeed universal but it would be wrong to say it wasn't about race especially in the arabo-muslim world.

    - Lol that's another propaganda spread by right wing whites to play the victims. Reality is that Barbary slave trade was actually initiated by white amirals and their crews were also composed of europeans :

    Jan Janszoon for example was dutch : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jan_Janszoon

    The pirates of Salé were in fact Iberians known as hornacheros : https://corsairsandcaptivesblog.com/...f-sale-part-1/

    Barbarossa was in fact albanian/greek : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hayreddin_Barbarossa

    Hassan Veneziano was Italian : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hassan_Veneziano

    Ali Bitchin was Italian : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ali_Bitchin

    Yusuf Rais was English : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Ward

    etc etc

    And like I said their crews were also european :

    The so-called "Barbary" captains, especially the most famous of them, the two Barbarossa brothers, whose exploits have given rise to sinister chronicles and legends, were not Moors from Africa,[...] and the crews of the ships, the oarsmen of the galleys, were, for the most numerous, christian slaves, captured at sea or on the coasts of Spain and Italy.
    Jacques Heers, Les Barbaresques, p. 8

    Their sailors and men-at-arms were, for many and often for the most part, from the Balkans - Albania especially - or from the recently subjugated Genoese and Venetian islands: renegades or taken by force and abducted at a very young age, torn from their families.
    Jacques Heers, Les Barbaresques, p. 68




    Quote Originally Posted by Supercomputer View Post


    3. Show them that race is NOT just a social construct

    The idea that race is just a social construct stems from several logical fallacies namely the continuum fallacy as well as deconstructionist fallacy. If race is a social construct then so are colors. You can philosophically deconstruct any concept you want. A species could also be seen as a social construct. So can a chair.
    Depends how you define "race" but the problem with this, is that people like you are quick to use this "race" thing to promote racial hierarchy and to protect their superiority complex.



    Quote Originally Posted by Supercomputer View Post
    4. Remind them that racism would exist even if there would be no White people. Leftists believe racism is the greatest evil in the world. Because of very one sided narratives of history the first association of "racism" is racism of Whites against Blacks or non Whites. However racism ie tribalism is universal to all human races and even if White people were truly bread out of existence, racism would still exist. For example the only reason tensions between Blacks and Hispanics in the United States aren't higher is because they both still politically align under the same ideology against White people.
    Agree. Racism is universal.



    Quote Originally Posted by Supercomputer View Post
    5. And finally even if Whiteness was really artificial and it really oppressed people (which it isn't and it doesn't) the solution would not be to abolish White people. The solution would be just to leave White people alone and live in countries where White people can't oppress you. Separation is not oppression. In fact, separation is the opposite of oppression. (All groups that were oppressed throughout history sought secession from their oppressors). Take Japaneseness for example. Is it a social construct? Yes (all ethnic groups are social constructs) Has it historically oppressed people? Yes. Does it oppress people today? Yes. There are Koreans and Chinese living in Japan and they are discriminated against by Japanese. Yet does anyone push for so called Japaneseness to be abolished? No. If you don't want to be oppressed by Japanese, don't live in Japan. The same with so called Whiteness. If you don't want to be "oppressed" by Whites, don't live among Whites.

    Stop talking about "white people" I will certainly never consider a sicilian or portuguese as "white people" nor as similar to russians or Irish so it's also a social construct born from this more and more globalized world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adrianv2 View Post
    In CRT Cultural Marxism White is not racial, whiteness is system of government, religion, nuclear family, work ethic etc. An AA museum posted this, got dragged then removed it. CRT seeks to destroy W. Civilization, constitutions, borders, countries etc.

    In Smithsonian Race Guidelines, Rational Thinking and Hard Work Are White Values
    The Smithsonian National Museum of African American History and Culture recently unveiled guidelines for talking about race. A graphic displayed in the guidelines, entitled "Aspects and Assumptions of Whiteness in the United States," declares that rational thinking and hard work, among others, are white values.

    In the section, Smithsonian declares that "objective, rational, linear thinking," "quantitative emphasis," "hard work before play," and various other values are aspects and assumptions of whiteness.
    https://www.newsweek.com/smithsonian...values-1518333
    'Whiteness' is not racial but only cultural, in CRT, because CRT morons are liberal arts types rather than STEM people. Even American anthropology is a humanity rather than STEM thanks to Franz Boas.

    From a biological point of view culture can be seen as a significant asymptote between the underlying genotype and the extended phenotype.

    However, as America becomes less NorthWest European then there is a incongruence between the national culture and the people.

    In other words, as Americans become no longer the founding stock of WASPs then America will continue to disintegrate into a caucophony of miasmic incoherence and CRT will exploit this state of affairs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hamilcar View Post
    It is an artificial construct, PCAs and their clusters have already shown their flaws and we talk in terms of continuums not really strictly defined clusters. Ancient greeks (at least the datas we have for the moment) were even more southern shifted than modern day aegean greeks which clearly mean slavic migrations did impact mainland Greece. Romans certainly never felt any sense of "european" pride. Christianity is a pure "semitic" product born in Palestine and Catholicism itself was born in North-West Africa.





    - Not a single colonial movements can really be compared to the european one which affected the whole planet and in general to the detriment of local populations and yes it had all to do with races since one of their justification was that superior races needed to brought civilization to the inferior ones. We see a whole continent being whiped out of 90% of its population, cultures destroyed, imposed christianity, segregation/discrimination along with caste systems but yet you dare to say "colonialism is universal" ?


    - "Europe" wasn't victim of any of this, only some localized areas saw migrations of new populations and it was of course way less violent than what we saw later during the XIXth century with west european colonialism.

    - It was indeed universal but it would be wrong to say it wasn't about race especially in the arabo-muslim world.

    - Lol that's another propaganda spread by right wing whites to play the victims. Reality is that Barbary slave trade was actually initiated by white amirals and their crews were also composed of europeans :

    Jan Janszoon for example was dutch : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jan_Janszoon

    The pirates of Salé were in fact Iberians known as hornacheros : https://corsairsandcaptivesblog.com/...f-sale-part-1/

    Barbarossa was in fact albanian/greek : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hayreddin_Barbarossa

    Hassan Veneziano was Italian : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hassan_Veneziano

    Ali Bitchin was Italian : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ali_Bitchin

    Yusuf Rais was English : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Ward

    etc etc

    And like I said their crews were also european :



    Jacques Heers, Les Barbaresques, p. 8



    Jacques Heers, Les Barbaresques, p. 68






    Depends how you define "race" but the problem with this, is that people like you are quick to use this "race" thing to promote racial hierarchy and to protect their superiority complex.





    Agree. Racism is universal.






    Stop talking about "white people" I will certainly never consider a sicilian or portuguese as "white people" nor as similar to russians or Irish so it's also a social construct born from this more and more globalized world.
    Go back to where you came from. You and that Turk don't belong on a EUROPEAN cultural community.
    Last edited by Supercomputer; 08-02-2021 at 03:28 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hamilcar View Post
    It is an artificial construct, PCAs and their clusters have already shown their flaws and we talk in terms of continuums not really strictly defined clusters. Ancient greeks (at least the datas we have for the moment) were even more southern shifted than modern day aegean greeks which clearly mean slavic migrations did impact mainland Greece. Romans certainly never felt any sense of "european" pride. Christianity is a pure "semitic" product born in Palestine and Catholicism itself was born in North-West Africa.





    - Not a single colonial movements can really be compared to the european one which affected the whole planet and in general to the detriment of local populations and yes it had all to do with races since one of their justification was that superior races needed to brought civilization to the inferior ones. We see a whole continent being whiped out of 90% of its population, cultures destroyed, imposed christianity, segregation/discrimination along with caste systems but yet you dare to say "colonialism is universal" ?


    - "Europe" wasn't victim of any of this, only some localized areas saw migrations of new populations and it was of course way less violent than what we saw later during the XIXth century with west european colonialism.

    - It was indeed universal but it would be wrong to say it wasn't about race especially in the arabo-muslim world.

    - Lol that's another propaganda spread by right wing whites to play the victims. Reality is that Barbary slave trade was actually initiated by white amirals and their crews were also composed of europeans :

    Jan Janszoon for example was dutch : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jan_Janszoon

    The pirates of Salé were in fact Iberians known as hornacheros : https://corsairsandcaptivesblog.com/...f-sale-part-1/

    Barbarossa was in fact albanian/greek : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hayreddin_Barbarossa

    Hassan Veneziano was Italian : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hassan_Veneziano

    Ali Bitchin was Italian : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ali_Bitchin

    Yusuf Rais was English : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Ward

    etc etc

    And like I said their crews were also european :



    Jacques Heers, Les Barbaresques, p. 8



    Jacques Heers, Les Barbaresques, p. 68






    Depends how you define "race" but the problem with this, is that people like you are quick to use this "race" thing to promote racial hierarchy and to protect their superiority complex.





    Agree. Racism is universal.






    Stop talking about "white people" I will certainly never consider a sicilian or portuguese as "white people" nor as similar to russians or Irish so it's also a social construct born from this more and more globalized world.
    European colonization had a positive economic impact on the third world. There are 2 academic papers done by respectable economists that prove that

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hamilcar View Post
    It is an artificial construct, PCAs and their clusters have already shown their flaws and we talk in terms of continuums not really strictly defined clusters. Ancient greeks (at least the datas we have for the moment) were even more southern shifted than modern day aegean greeks which clearly mean slavic migrations did impact mainland Greece. Romans certainly never felt any sense of "european" pride. Christianity is a pure "semitic" product born in Palestine and Catholicism itself was born in North-West Africa.





    - Not a single colonial movements can really be compared to the european one which affected the whole planet and in general to the detriment of local populations and yes it had all to do with races since one of their justification was that superior races needed to brought civilization to the inferior ones. We see a whole continent being whiped out of 90% of its population, cultures destroyed, imposed christianity, segregation/discrimination along with caste systems but yet you dare to say "colonialism is universal" ?


    - "Europe" wasn't victim of any of this, only some localized areas saw migrations of new populations and it was of course way less violent than what we saw later during the XIXth century with west european colonialism.

    - It was indeed universal but it would be wrong to say it wasn't about race especially in the arabo-muslim world.

    - Lol that's another propaganda spread by right wing whites to play the victims. Reality is that Barbary slave trade was actually initiated by white amirals and their crews were also composed of europeans :

    Jan Janszoon for example was dutch : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jan_Janszoon

    The pirates of Salé were in fact Iberians known as hornacheros : https://corsairsandcaptivesblog.com/...f-sale-part-1/

    Barbarossa was in fact albanian/greek : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hayreddin_Barbarossa

    Hassan Veneziano was Italian : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hassan_Veneziano

    Ali Bitchin was Italian : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ali_Bitchin

    Yusuf Rais was English : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Ward

    etc etc

    And like I said their crews were also european :



    Jacques Heers, Les Barbaresques, p. 8



    Jacques Heers, Les Barbaresques, p. 68






    Depends how you define "race" but the problem with this, is that people like you are quick to use this "race" thing to promote racial hierarchy and to protect their superiority complex.





    Agree. Racism is universal.






    Stop talking about "white people" I will certainly never consider a sicilian or portuguese as "white people" nor as similar to russians or Irish so it's also a social construct born from this more and more globalized world.
    Europeans ARE a superior race. Europeans gave the world the following:

    democracy
    modern economy
    science and technology
    industrial revolution
    enlightenment
    philosophy
    modern medicine
    separation of church and state
    rights of women
    freedom of speech
    freedom of religion
    modern legal system
    banned cousin marraiges
    protestant work ethic

    Without Europeans the world would be still in the 16th century. No electricity, cars, computers, modern medicine, human rights etc. You should thank us before condemning us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Supercomputer View Post
    Europeans ARE a superior race. Europeans gave the world the following:

    democracy
    modern economy
    science and technology
    industrial revolution
    enlightenment
    philosophy
    modern medicine
    separation of church and state
    rights of women
    freedom of speech
    freedom of religion
    modern legal system
    banned cousin marraiges
    protestant work ethic

    Without Europeans the world would be still in the 16th century. No electricity, cars, computers, modern medicine, human rights etc. You should thank us before condemning us.

    Based on your answers, it seems you simply copy-paste your initial post lol but It doesn't surprise me.

    Anyway europeans are not a "race" and not all europeans produced what you wrote.

    Democracy was apparently created by greeks who like I previously said were not part of the european "cluster", they were closer to west asians than people like french or swede.

    "science and technology" is meaningless be more specific

    Industrial revolution wasn't necessarily a good thing...we see the results today.

    "enlightenment" also happened in other places

    "philosophy" is not a european creation ...chinese, indians, egyptians, etc would all laugh at you

    "modern medicine" be more specific

    "separation of church and state" completely destroyed your societies. Enjoy your LGBTs , I don't see how that's an advancement.

    "rights of women" not a european creation

    "Freedom of speech" same

    "freedom of religion" Cyrus the Great would laugh at you

    "Modern legal system" lmao

    "banned cousin marraiges" wtf are you talking about?

    "protestant work ethic" the same ethic that lead to the secularization of your society.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JamesBond007 View Post
    'Whiteness' is not racial but only cultural, in CRT, because CRT morons are liberal arts types rather than STEM people. Even American anthropology is a humanity rather than STEM thanks to Franz Boas.

    From a biological point of view culture can be seen as a significant asymptote between the underlying genotype and the extended phenotype.

    However, as America becomes less NorthWest European then there is a incongruence between the national culture and the people.

    In other words, as Americans become no longer the founding stock of WASPs then America will continue to disintegrate into a caucophony of miasmic incoherence and CRT will exploit this state of affairs.
    100% accurate if/when people don't assimilate......or at least understand and appreciate the constitution and the significance of it.
    And many do not, especially illegals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Supercomputer View Post
    I'm just going to focus on small part of the CRT, which I think is the most important and which bother me the most.

    CRT is among other things based on the following premises:
    - That Whiteness is artificial
    - That Whiteness is oppressive
    So in short, they say it's an artificial idea that oppresses people. Those premises are the main reason why increasing number of intellectuals today buy into the idea that so called "Whiteness" should be abolished
    So, to intellectually defeat it, you need to show people it's main premises are wrong mainly that Whiteness ISN'T artificial and that it ISN'T oppressive.

    1.)Show them that "Whiteness" is NOT an artificial construct
    - Europeans form a distinct genetic cluster separate from Middle Eastern and North African people. Greeks are closer to the French than to Turks, Portuguese are closer to Scandinavians than to Northwest Africans and Russians are closer to the British than to Central Asians. There is also a common European culture and history going back to Greece and Rome as well as common religion.

    - Remind them that "Whiteness" would exist even if there was no slavery or colonialism. One of the most annoying ideas floating in the left wing circles is this idea that "race and White people was/were invented in order to justify slavery and colonialism. This is demonstrably false. Even if Europeans never settled in the New World, never practised slavery and always minded their own business, as the world eventually became globalized, so called Whiteness or some level of pan European identity would sooner or later emerge at least to some extent. A British person would still look at a Dutchman and clearly see he is more similar to him both physically as well as culturally than someone from Korea, Nigeria or the Americas.

    2.) Debunk the idea that Whiteness is oppressive
    Remind them that:
    - Colonialism was universal to all parts of the world and had nothing to do with race.
    - Europe was victim of colonialism as much as it was the perpetrator
    - Slavery was universal to everyone and had nothing to do with race
    - Europeans were the victims of non White slavery

    3.) Remind them that Whites are the least racist race in the world.
    Show them that Whites treat racial minorities better than anyone else. Whites will not only allow large burdensome racial minorities to live in their countries, they will actually give them privileges like Affirmative action and it's European equivalents as well as diversity quotas. But not only that; they will go a step further and demonize themselves and teach totally one sided, exaggerated and de-contextualized narratives of history just to attempt to minimize the natural resentment against minorities that live in their countries at their expense. Chinese would never do that. Arabs would never do that. Indians would never do that. Only White people. Yet how are they thanked? By being demonized and attacked as the only perpetrators of racism.

    3. Show them that race is NOT just a social construct

    The idea that race is just a social construct stems from several logical fallacies namely the continuum fallacy as well as deconstructionist fallacy. If race is a social construct then so are colors. You can philosophically deconstruct any concept you want. A species could also be seen as a social construct. So can a chair.

    4. Remind them that racism would exist even if there would be no White people. Leftists believe racism is the greatest evil in the world. Because of very one sided narratives of history the first association of "racism" is racism of Whites against Blacks or non Whites. However racism ie tribalism is universal to all human races and even if White people were truly bread out of existence, racism would still exist. For example the only reason tensions between Blacks and Hispanics in the United States aren't higher is because they both still politically align under the same ideology against White people.

    5. And finally even if Whiteness was really artificial and it really oppressed people (which it isn't and it doesn't) the solution would not be to abolish White people. The solution would be just to leave White people alone and live in countries where White people can't oppress you. Separation is not oppression. In fact, separation is the opposite of oppression. (All groups that were oppressed throughout history sought secession from their oppressors). Take Japaneseness for example. Is it a social construct? Yes (all ethnic groups are social constructs) Has it historically oppressed people? Yes. Does it oppress people today? Yes. There are Koreans and Chinese living in Japan and they are discriminated against by Japanese. Yet does anyone push for so called Japaneseness to be abolished? No. If you don't want to be oppressed by Japanese, don't live in Japan. The same with so called Whiteness. If you don't want to be "oppressed" by Whites, don't live among Whites.
    How about "random people from other continents aren't entitled to live in other peoples countries just because those other people did bad things once just like everyone else". When I worked retail as my first job, I had to work a bank transfer at the front desk. It was EXCLUSIVELY non-whites sending money to their family, EXCLUSIVELY outside the country. I am being 100% honest when I say that in my years of working there I never saw a SINGLE white customer use it to send it to relatives, anywhere. How is that fair to the people working and living here and who have been here in a civilisation that THEY built for 200+ years?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hamilcar View Post
    Based on your answers, it seems you simply copy-paste your initial post lol but It doesn't surprise me.

    Anyway europeans are not a "race" and not all europeans produced what you wrote.

    Democracy was apparently created by greeks who like I previously said were not part of the european "cluster", they were closer to west asians than people like french or swede.

    "science and technology" is meaningless be more specific

    Industrial revolution wasn't necessarily a good thing...we see the results today.

    "enlightenment" also happened in other places

    "philosophy" is not a european creation ...chinese, indians, egyptians, etc would all laugh at you

    "modern medicine" be more specific

    "separation of church and state" completely destroyed your societies. Enjoy your LGBTs , I don't see how that's an advancement.

    "rights of women" not a european creation

    "Freedom of speech" same

    "freedom of religion" Cyrus the Great would laugh at you

    "Modern legal system" lmao

    "banned cousin marraiges" wtf are you talking about?

    "protestant work ethic" the same ethic that lead to the secularization of your society.
    Europeans should just forbid everything that we created to brown people or charge them for it. Europeans built the modern world. Everything that you have above 700 dollars a year is a product of things Europeans built. And it's funny that I have to argue with a Muslim. Your entire religion - Islam - is a religion of conquest, bloodshed and slavery. It is the only religion in the world founded by a conqueror. Mohmamed himself was a slave owning illiterate bandit paedophile.

    Here is a cartoon of your beloved "prophet". I hope I offended you.


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