How did Szekelys preserve their conqueror ancestry

[Nurzat]

all ethnic Moldavian Catholics West of Prut descend from Csangos, then there are the preserved Csangos as well. Catholic Moldavian most often have Hungarian origin last names, only written in the Romanian way.

there was some Csango mix into Moldavians beyond Catholic communities as well, I think, because countryside dialect of Moldovan keeps some Hungarian words outside the Csango villages (tău for lake, mai for liver, ilău for anvil, tașcî for bag etc)

[Smitty]

For some maybe, for most probably not. For example I get a sizable amount, but was born very far from any Szeklers/Csangos.

I meant the reverse. Perhaps Szekelys get their East Eurasian from Romanian admixture.

[Jana]

I meant the reverse. Perhaps Szekelys get their East Eurasian from Romanian admixture.

Szkelys are more mongoloid than Romanians are.

[Smitty]

Szkelys are more mongoloid than Romanians are.

Ok, I didn't realize that. Romanians seem to always get like 1-5% Mongoloid, though. How much more do Szekelys get?

[Italicus]

Ok, I didn't realize that. Romanians seem to always get like 1-5% Mongoloid, though. How much more do Szekelys get?

Usually 3 to 5 percent, with outliers being around 6 to 7 percent

[rothaer]

But there's quite the distance between where Csangos live and where my ancestry comes from. Not to mention that for 200 years in recent history, Russia separated with a hard border this Moldova from that in Romania. So at least for the past 200 years, geneflow was stopped from Romania to Republic of Moldova, apart from the brief period in the interwar period. Geneflow occurred heavily on the eve of Soviet annexation of the then Republic of Moldova, but in the direction of Republic of Moldova to Romania, when hundred of thousands of people of all ethnicities escaped to there. What is more likely is some kind of Tataro-Mongol remains.


In any case, here's what I am talking about.

MyHeritage results, ~78k SNPs (this one is fairly tame compared to the rest)

N_Atlantic	Baltic	West_Med	West_Asian	East_Med	Red_Sea	South_Asian	East_Asian	Siberian	Amerindian	Oceanian	NE_African	Sub-Saharan	Northern	Southern	Mongol	India	Africa
23.53	30.47	15.75	11.25	12.26	1.47	0.66	1.12	2.34	0.10	1.05	0	0	54.00	40.73	3.56	0.66	0

23andme v3, ~163k SNPs

N_Atlantic	Baltic	West_Med	West_Asian	East_Med	Red_Sea	South_Asian	East_Asian	Siberian	Amerindian	Oceanian	NE_African	Sub-Saharan	Northern	Southern	Mongol	India	Africa
25.50	29.18	15.13	9.99	12.92	1.55	0.65	2.06	2.66	0	0.34	0.02	0	54.68	39.61	4.72	0.65	0

LivingDNA v2, ~59k SNPs (Mongoloid distribution between East Asian and Siberian is identical to the merged kit)

N_Atlantic	Baltic	West_Med	West_Asian	East_Med	Red_Sea	South_Asian	East_Asian	Siberian	Amerindian	Oceanian	NE_African	Sub-Saharan	Northern	Southern	Mongol	India	Africa
25.27	29.82	15.21	10.28	12.81	1.20	0.46	1.82	2.86	0	0.27	0	0	55.09	39.50	4.68	0.46	0

Merged kits, ~171k SNPs; they combine MyHeritage, 23andme v3 and LivingDNA to achieve the most SNPs

N_Atlantic	Baltic	West_Med	West_Asian	East_Med	Red_Sea	South_Asian	East_Asian	Siberian	Amerindian	Oceanian	NE_African	Sub-Saharan	Northern	Southern	Mongol	India	Africa
25.47	29.48	15.06	9.86	12.89	1.53	0.63	1.83	2.85	0	0.40	0	0	54.95	39.34	4.68	0.63	0

I'm basically honorary Szekely, Csango and Transylvanian Hungarian. A double agent among Romanians

After you also mention a 23andMe kit, what does 23andMe say about East Asian in this case? (I know they do smooth results by blocks of 100 SNPs, so minority contributions could well be notable bigger than shown, if they are old and therefore well distributed within the genome.)

[Carpatz]

Szekelys get the majority of their ancestry from the Vlach natives that were assimilated when the original founding population was settled in eastern Transylvania, their role being frontier guards. Them having marginally more "conqueror" ancestry than Magyars from Pannonia is not really noteworthy

[Italicus]

Szekelys get the majority of their ancestry from the Vlach natives that were assimilated when the original founding population was settled in eastern Transylvania, their role being frontier guards. Them having marginally more "conqueror" ancestry than Magyars from Pannonia is not really noteworthy

I'd beg to differ. Magyar DNA was not only East Asian but majority Andronovo. So they are probably around 20 to 25 percent conqueror, give or take. That's quite impressive given the length of time they were in Szekelyfold, as well as being located in East Central Europe.

[Italicus]

Szekelys get the majority of their ancestry from the Vlach natives that were assimilated when the original founding population was settled in eastern Transylvania, their role being frontier guards. Them having marginally more "conqueror" ancestry than Magyars from Pannonia is not really noteworthy

I'd beg to differ. Magyar DNA was not only East Asian but majority Andronovo. So they are probably around 20 to 25 percent conqueror, give or take. That's quite impressive given the length of time they were in Szekelyfold, as well as being located in East Central Europe.

[Carpatz]

I'd beg to differ. Magyar DNA was not only East Asian but majority Andronovo. So they are probably around 20 to 25 percent conqueror, give or take. That's quite impressive given the length of time they were in Szekelyfold, as well as being located in East Central Europe.

Magyars were a horde of tribes of different origins. Szekelys were reportedly a Turkic tribe originally