Vettel and Hamilton criticized the hungarian anti pedo laws

[Blondie]

They are people, they can tell whatever they want, how could they be against the government who is going to be more and more authoritarian?
It's not even about LGBT but they could state the opinion so they did it, but if anyone really takes that seriously - that's a problem

I hope you don't belive in these leftist lying. Orbán defend the democracy and human rights in Hungary against the totalitarian left. After the fall of communism, the communist party MSZMP became "democratic" and called MSZP, led by Gyula Horn who killed hungarian protesters in 56' and did many cfrimes against civilians as red guard member. They inherited the complete media, economic sectors etc. The first right wing Tv channel called Hir TV was started only in the 2000' years, and before Orbán and 2010 this left had complete media henegmony in Hungary. Look at the modern media in numbers:
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...ony-in-Hungary
Under Orbán there is real media equality.
What's the problem with hungarian democracy? Interesting i have never seen any real argument. There is totaly sexual freedom, even the animal sex is legal in Hungary just like abortation. There was Pride 1 weeks ago with 30000 people (record number), there were no any homophobic attacks or any atrocities, because Orbán's police defended them very seriously.
Who is the leader of this opposition coalition? He is Ferenc Gyurcsány, who had much more personal friendship with Putin, he invited him in his own house:



Orbán never did it. Before 2010 Gyurcsány as prime minister ordered the police to shot into the protesters even with live ammo too in the siege of M1 TV. The leftist police crippled many civilians, they broked their bones and after that many non democratic show trials, they brutally beaten the oppositon politicians too (for example Márius Révész) etc. That's happened in 2006, when according to Brussels there was real democracy in Hungary. And this totalitarian bloody left larping as champion of human rights in Brussels nowadays and lying every day about Orbán and Hungary, because they and the radical left Brussels are totally med because they lost their totalitarian henegmony in Hungary. Don't suck everything what you read in the liar western newspapers. And im not even Orbán fan or his voter, i don't like Orbán in general, but it's socking that there are many lying about Hungary in the foreign medias whats not even true and completely fake news.

[Dunai]

I hope you don't belive in these leftist lying. Orbán defend the democracy and human rights in Hungary against the totalitarian left. After the fall of communism, the communist party MSZMP became "democratic" and called MSZP, led by Gyula Horn who killed hungarian protesters in 56' and did many cfrimes against civilians as red guard member. They inherited the complete media, economic sectors etc. The first right wing Tv channel called Hir TV was started only in the 2000' years, and before Orbán and 2010 this left had complete media henegmony in Hungary. Look at the modern media in numbers:
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...ony-in-Hungary
Under Orbán there is real media equality.
What's the problem with hungarian democracy? Interesting i have never seen any real argument. There is totaly sexual freedom, even the animal sex is legal in Hungary just like abortation. There was Pride 1 weeks ago with 30000 people (record number), there were no any homophobic attacks or any atrocities, because Orbán's police defended them very seriously.
Who is the leader of this opposition coalition? He is Ferenc Gyurcsány, who had much more personal friendship with Putin, he invited him in his own house:



Orbán never did it. Before 2010 Gyurcsány as prime minister ordered the police to shot into the protesters even with live ammo too in the siege of M1 TV. The leftist police crippled many civilians, they broked their bones and after that many non democratic show trials, they brutally beaten the oppositon politicians too (for example Márius Révész) etc. That's happened in 2006, when according to Brussels there was real democracy in Hungary. And this totalitarian bloody left larping as champion of human rights in Brussels nowadays and lying every day about Orbán and Hungary, because they and the radical left Brussels are totally med because they lost their totalitarian henegmony in Hungary. Don't suck everything what you read in the liar western newspapers. And im not even Orbán fan or his voter, i don't like Orbán in general, but it's socking that there are many lying about Hungary in the foreign medias whats not even true and completely fake news.

Once again you label everything in opposition to your Alt-Right worldview as Leftist, even the EU leaders in Bruxelles, loool, while you praise Orbán as a champion of democracy, hahahaha. Spend less time watching M1 and HírTV, since you got completely brainwashed with Orbán propaganda and obviously lack any critical judgement.

[Blondie]

Once again you label everything in opposition to your Alt-Right worldview as Leftist, even the EU leaders in Bruxelles, loool, while you praise Orbán as a champion of democracy, hahahaha. Spend less time watching M1 and HírTV, since you got completely brainwashed with Orbán propaganda and obviously lack any critical judgement.

I don't watch any TV, and i didnt say Orbán is perfect but he is 1000x times more democratic than you leftists.

1. Media: before 2010, only one right wing TV channel existed, it was the Hir TV, all other TV and medium was leftist. Check now whats the media situation under Orbán, there is compeltely media equality:
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...ony-in-Hungary

2. You leftists brutally beat opposition politicians up in 2006:



Orbán never did it with leftist politicians.

3. You leftists crippled many civilian opposition protesters, he lost his eyes:



Later he commited suicide.

Another tortured civilians by leftist police:







When did Orbán such thing? Never.

4. Safety of sexual minorities. 1 weeks ago there were 30000 people on Pride without any homophobic attack, i have been there because im bisexual and i asked many older people about Pride before 2010, and they said their life was in danger because of only few policeman and tons of neonazi who attacked them and the left didn't even care about the safety of gays. These pride protesters surprised that the Orbán's police defended this whole Pride very seriously. Even this gay hungarian youtuber got many state aid to open the first gay restaurant in Hungary:



5. About neonazis and far right. These organizations operated freely before 2010, there were tons of antisemitic attack:



Even the leftist MAZSIHISZ recognized that these antisemitic attacks are no longer exist:
https://24.hu/belfold/2021/07/20/maz...tiszemitizmus/

Before 2010 Hungary was paradise of various neonazi and radical right movements:



These are doesn't exist nowadays in such big numbers.

6. Courts: The opposition parties won much more lawsuit against Orbán than Orbán against opposition parties:
https://index.hu/kultur/media/2020/0...r_a_fuggetlen/

So what are you talking about? Nowadays Hungary is real democratic paradise compared to what opposition parties did before 2010.

[Dunai]

I don't watch any TV, and i didnt say Orbán is perfect but he is 1000x times more democratic than you leftists.

1. Media: before 2010, only one right wing TV channel existed, it was the Hir TV, all other TV and medium was leftist. Check now whats the media situation under Orbán, there is compeltely media equality:
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...ony-in-Hungary

2. You leftists brutally beat opposition politicians up in 2006:



Orbán never did it with leftist politicians.

3. You leftists crippled many civilian opposition protesters, he lost his eyes:



Later he commited suicide.

Another tortured civilians by leftist police:







When did Orbán such thing? Never.

4. Safety of sexual minorities. 1 weeks ago there were 30000 people on Pride without any homophobic attack, i have been there because im bisexual and i asked many older people about Pride before 2010, and they said their life was in danger because of only few policeman and tons of neonazi who attacked them and the left didn't even care about the safety of gays. These pride protesters surprised that the Orbán's police defended this whole Pride very seriously. Even this gay hungarian youtuber got many state aid to open the first gay restaurant in Hungary:



5. About neonazis and far right. These organizations operated freely before 2010, there were tons of antisemitic attack:



Even the leftist MAZSIHISZ recognized that these antisemitic attacks are no longer exist:
https://24.hu/belfold/2021/07/20/maz...tiszemitizmus/

Before 2010 Hungary was paradise of various neonazi and radical right movements:



These are doesn't exist nowadays in such big numbers.

6. Courts: The opposition parties won much more lawsuit against Orbán than Orbán against opposition parties:
https://index.hu/kultur/media/2020/0...r_a_fuggetlen/

So what are you talking about? Nowadays Hungary is real democratic paradise compared to what opposition parties did before 2010.

Your agenda is clear from a mile: you claim to not like Orbán, however you go on endless posts of finding his regime of crooks and thieves excuse after excuse how decent and democratic people they are. They don't just steal taxpayer and EU funds, they do it in the name of the nation, hahaha. And simpletons like you eat this BS up like candy. Not surprised one bit, since Right-wingers have almost no empathy, they just want to stay in power no matter what dirty and illegal means. So for you acts of massive corruption, suffocating public discourse with endless hate speech for over a decade now is just something we have to live with so those imaginary Leftists (even if there is no true Left in Hungary) wouldn't come to power. Gyurcsány and his brigade is on the same side of big corporations like Orbán, they need each other so they can have a boogie man to point to who to hate. Real Hungarian Left is only in civic society, barely in politics, so choose another name for who you want to hate, Gyurcsány and Jakab are not the Left. Karácsony and his 99 Movement could be said to be the only notable more Leftist political opposition (even if they also have Centrists and Liberals among them), however they only form maybe a third of the "United Opposition".

[PlattitüdenPaule]

Thing is, it doesnt really have to be what either Vettel nor Hamilton really think. They just get paid truckloads of money to say these things and help shape the "common opinion", as the average guy tends to sympathize much more with his sports/music/tv idols, than with politicians they dont even really know about.

[Blondie]

Your agenda is clear from a mile: you claim to not like Orbán, however you go on endless posts of finding his regime of crooks and thieves excuse after excuse how decent and democratic people they are. They don't just steal taxpayer and EU funds, they do it in the name of the nation, hahaha. And simpletons like you eat this BS up like candy. Not surprised one bit, since Right-wingers have almost no empathy, they just want to stay in power no matter what dirty and illegal means. So for you acts of massive corruption, suffocating public discourse with endless hate speech for over a decade now is just something we have to live with so those imaginary Leftists (even if there is no true Left in Hungary) wouldn't come to power. Gyurcsány and his brigade is on the same side of big corporations like Orbán, they need each other so they can have a boogie man to point to who to hate. Real Hungarian Left is only in civic society, barely in politics, so choose another name for who you want to hate, Gyurcsány and Jakab are not the Left. Karácsony and his 99 Movement could be said to be the only notable more Leftist political opposition (even if they also have Centrists and Liberals among them), however they only form maybe a third of the "United Opposition".

So if i'm against the torturing civilians, violence against opposition politicians, anti semitism and i'm worried about the safety of LMBTQ members it means im nazi and far right winger? Pls commie tell me more...
I have never denied that Orbán is an oligarch and his party works like the mafia, and they stealed many EU money etc, these are facts, (btw the opposition parties also do that as well), i have talked about human rights in this thread nothing else, because as liberal its very important for me, and the human rights are perfectly fine in Hungary under Orbán, much better than it was under bloody handed leftist before 2010, these are facts and i proved it with many source. The probem with Orbán is not that, but the stealing, corruption etc not the human rights.
And Ferenc Gyurcsány is leftist (from Hungarian Socialist Party), and leader of the hungarian Left nowadays because his party (DK) is the most popular:
http://www.zaveczresearch.hu/hatpart...ypartok-40-39/

[Satem]

I hope you don't belive in these leftist lying. Orbán defend the democracy and human rights in Hungary against the totalitarian left. After the fall of communism, the communist party MSZMP became "democratic" and called MSZP, led by Gyula Horn who killed hungarian protesters in 56' and did many cfrimes against civilians as red guard member. They inherited the complete media, economic sectors etc. The first right wing Tv channel called Hir TV was started only in the 2000' years, and before Orbán and 2010 this left had complete media henegmony in Hungary. Look at the modern media in numbers:
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...ony-in-Hungary
Under Orbán there is real media equality.
What's the problem with hungarian democracy? Interesting i have never seen any real argument. There is totaly sexual freedom, even the animal sex is legal in Hungary just like abortation. There was Pride 1 weeks ago with 30000 people (record number), there were no any homophobic attacks or any atrocities, because Orbán's police defended them very seriously.
Who is the leader of this opposition coalition? He is Ferenc Gyurcsány, who had much more personal friendship with Putin, he invited him in his own house:



Orbán never did it. Before 2010 Gyurcsány as prime minister ordered the police to shot into the protesters even with live ammo too in the siege of M1 TV. The leftist police crippled many civilians, they broked their bones and after that many non democratic show trials, they brutally beaten the oppositon politicians too (for example Márius Révész) etc. That's happened in 2006, when according to Brussels there was real democracy in Hungary. And this totalitarian bloody left larping as champion of human rights in Brussels nowadays and lying every day about Orbán and Hungary, because they and the radical left Brussels are totally med because they lost their totalitarian henegmony in Hungary. Don't suck everything what you read in the liar western newspapers. And im not even Orbán fan or his voter, i don't like Orbán in general, but it's socking that there are many lying about Hungary in the foreign medias whats not even true and completely fake news.

I'm not talking about free media but the fact that the power is concentrated around Fidesz and Orban - that's what authoritarism means, also I didn't mention other Hungarian politicians were better simply cause I don't have enough knowledge
Basing on actions of Polish governement who portray very good relations with Hungarian government and most likely they are inspired I got impression Hungarian and Polish governements are authoritarian, not because they "try to secure its people" but because they practicaly ruling parties rule themselves and nobody can do a shit to them.

[Dunai]

So if i'm against the torturing civilians, violence against opposition politicians, anti semitism and i'm worried about the safety of LMBTQ members it means im nazi and far right winger? Pls commie tell me more...
I have never denied that Orbán is an oligarch and his party works like the mafia, and they stealed many EU money etc, these are facts, (btw the opposition parties also do that as well), i have talked about human rights in this thread nothing else, because as liberal its very important for me, and the human rights are perfectly fine in Hungary under Orbán, much better than it was under bloody handed leftist before 2010, these are facts and i proved it with many source. The probem with Orbán is not that, but the stealing, corruption etc not the human rights.
And Ferenc Gyurcsány is leftist (from Hungarian Socialist Party), and leader of the hungarian Left nowadays because his party (DK) is the most popular:
http://www.zaveczresearch.hu/hatpart...ypartok-40-39/

Just because you are pro LGBTQ rights doesn't make you less Neo-Fascist. Often you use racist, belittling language on this forum against people of color, plus you often had various Nazi-like avatars (eg. a woman doing the Nazi salute). None of your arguments come even close to the opinion of Liberals, you constantly use same type of arguments like Alt-Rightists and Conservatives do. At least be honest without yourself and not try to hide behind "oh, but I'm such a Liberal". I actually do know Liberals irl, more than I know Leftists, and I never heard any one of them defend Orbán so often as you do on this forum. Libs are usually big fans of DK or Momentum, they do not care very much about economic inequality topics as Leftists like me do.

[Blondie]

Just because you are pro LGBTQ rights doesn't make you less Neo-Fascist. Often you use racist, belittling language on this forum against people of color, plus you often had various Nazi-like avatars (eg. a woman doing the Nazi salute). None of your arguments come even close to the opinion of Liberals, you constantly use same type of arguments like Alt-Rightists and Conservatives do. At least be honest without yourself and not try to hide behind "oh, but I'm such a Liberal". I actually do know Liberals irl, more than I know Leftists, and I never heard any one of them defend Orbán so often as you do on this forum. Libs are usually big fans of DK or Momentum, they do not care very much about economic inequality topics as Leftists like me do.

You don't know any liberal because 1. youre radical leftist, neo communist in general from the new marxist wave, but we know from the history you guys along with Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot often consider yourselfs democratic 2. liberalism doesn't exist in Hungary, there are no any liberal party, DK and Momentum are not even liberal but simple leftist, they want 100% socialist economy and not free market with economic liberalisation.
So again, if i'm against the torturing civilians, violence against opposition politicians, anti semitism and i'm worried about the safety of LMBTQ members it means im fascist? You know what fascism means? Or you just lost the debate (as always) and it is your only argument that you use fascist card for everyone
I used nazi avatars because i wanted to provoke such neo marxist like you, i dont like extremists in general, and now in 2021 the radical left is the real danger for human rights in Europe just like in the beginig of communism. They have such political and media power what doesnt exist in the far right. We also know from the hungarian cases what is the leftist democracy: beating opposition protesters and politicians bloody, show trials, tortured civilians, total media hegemony, sexual and other minorites in danger etc.

[Dunai]

You don't know any liberal because 1. youre radical leftist, neo communist in general from the new marxist wave, but we know from the history you guys along with Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot often consider yourselfs democratic 2. liberalism doesn't exist in Hungary, there are no any liberal party, DK and Momentum are not even liberal but simple leftist, they want 100% socialist economy and not free market with economic liberalisation.
So again, if i'm against the torturing civilians, violence against opposition politicians, anti semitism and i'm worried about the safety of LMBTQ members it means im fascist? You know what fascism means? Or you just lost the debate (as always) and it is your only argument that you use fascist card for everyone
I used nazi avatars because i wanted to provoke such neo marxist like you, i dont like extremists in general, and now in 2021 the radical left is the real danger for human rights in Europe just like in the beginig of communism. They have such political and media power what doesnt exist in the far right. We also know from the hungarian cases what is the leftist democracy: beating opposition protesters and politicians bloody, show trials, tortured civilians, total media hegemony, sexual and other minorites in danger etc.

I am pretty moderate Leftist, since I believe in state regulated Capitalism, not in full-on Socialist economy, however I do adhere to Socialist causes of aiding economically less fortunate people by the state. On Social issues I am pretty much Liberal as it gets, since I am believe in basic human rights for anybody, no matter ethnic, religious or racial origin or sexual orientation, and in individual freedom from state interference and surveillance. Since you often flirt with Nazi symbolism by default disqualifies you from Liberalism, since if you would have basic understanding of Nazi society, you would know how much they hated Liberal concepts of freedom of expression, of liberal arts and most importantly how many atrocities they committed against fellow humans. No cultured or civilized person would ever lower themselves to flirt with Nazi stuff, but you are so childish that you believe you are being some rebellious reactionary for using them. Such attitude is simply pathetic in a grown-up person. Plus you are one of the most anti-Roma persons on this forum, numerous times you generalized how they don't fit in Hungary and something is inherently wrong with them. No Liberal I ever known has spoken so negatively about Romas, but you know who constantly do? Nationalists and Fascists, they do it all the time, showing no empathy or understanding for how disenfranchised they always were in Hungarian history. Even in a recent test about Fascism you got more than 40% or something, so give me a break and stop being so disingenuous.