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    The IRL answer is: the ones that look white are white, same for anyone else. This is how 90% of the population treats this question.

    What percentage of Ashkenazi Jews look white? Probably 70% look white and 20% look borderline. 10% look brown.

    In DNA terms they're obviously 50% MENA but I don't think that makes you nonwhite, I wouldn't say Bashar al-Assad is nonwhite. If you saw him on the streets of Canterbury you wouldn't think twice. Many such cases. Not everyone is Walid Jumblatt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Longbowman View Post
    The IRL answer is: the ones that look white are white, same for anyone else. This is how 90% of the population treats this question.

    What percentage of Ashkenazi Jews look white? Probably 70% look white and 20% look borderline. 10% look brown.

    In DNA terms they're obviously 50% MENA but I don't think that makes you nonwhite, I wouldn't say Bashar al-Assad is nonwhite. If you saw him on the streets of Canterbury you wouldn't think twice. Many such cases. Not everyone is Walid Jumblatt.
    Humm, I have to disagree with you even if you have part of reason in your reasoning about phenotype and genotype. There are many* mulatos who look fully white but obviously they are 50% black genetically. No way they could be white



    You can not obviate genetic when you judge if a person is white.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Longbowman View Post
    The IRL answer is: the ones that look white are white, same for anyone else. This is how 90% of the population treats this question.

    What percentage of Ashkenazi Jews look white? Probably 70% look white and 20% look borderline. 10% look brown.

    In DNA terms they're obviously 50% MENA but I don't think that makes you nonwhite, I wouldn't say Bashar al-Assad is nonwhite. If you saw him on the streets of Canterbury you wouldn't think twice. Many such cases. Not everyone is Walid Jumblatt.
    90% population what about how the small population of Jews see it ? :

    A Jewish theologian from New York, Saadiya Grama, put it succinctly: “Jewish successes in the world are completely contingent upon the failure of all other peoples. Only when the gentiles face total catastrophe do the Jews experience good fortune.” and “The difference between the people of Israel and the nations of the world is an essential one. The Jew by his source and in his very essence is entirely good. The goy, by his source and in his very essence is completely evil. This is not simply a matter of religious distinction, but rather of two completely different species.



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    The difference between a Jewish and a non-Jewish person stems from the common expression: "Let us differentiate." Thus, we do not have a case of profound change in which a person is merely on a superior level. Rather, we have a case of "let us differentiate" between totally different species. This is what needs to be said about the body: the body of a Jewish person is of a totally different quality from the body of [members] of all nations of the world. [...] The Jewish body "looks as if it were in substance similar to bodies of non-Jews," but the meaning ... is that the bodies only seem to be similar in material substance, outward look and superficial quality. The difference of inner quality, however, is so great that the bodies should be considered as completely different species. [...] A Jew was not created as a means for some [other] purpose; he himself is the purpose, since the substance of all [divine] emanations was created only to serve the Jews. [...] A non-Jew's entire reality is only vanity. It is written, "And the strangers shall stand and feed your flocks" [Isaiah 61:5]. The entire creation [of a non-Jew] exists only for the sake of the Jews. Rabbi Menachem Mendel Schneerson quoted in Israel Shahak and Norton Mezvinsky, Jewish Fundamentalism in Israel, Pluto Press, London and Sterling Virginia, 1999, pp. 59-60.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cristiano viejo View Post
    Humm, I have to disagree with you even if you have part of reason in your reasoning about phenotype and genotype. There are many* mulatos who look fully white but obviously they are 50% black genetically. No way they could be white



    You can not obviate genetic when you judge if a person is white.
    But jews are western euroasian not ssa
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    Those who originate in Europe, yes.

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    Depends what you mean by white.

    Are they "Caucasoid"? Yes.

    Are they genetically european? Partially, and plot quite near european groups.

    Are they european looking? Most are, some aren't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cristiano viejo View Post
    Humm, I have to disagree with you even if you have part of reason in your reasoning about phenotype and genotype. There are many* mulatos who look fully white but obviously they are 50% black genetically. No way they could be white



    You can not obviate genetic when you judge if a person is white.
    This person is not 50% SSA. Probably he has one African-American parent. He's probably only 25% SSA.

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    "His father is of African-American, Jamaican, German, and English ancestry"

    Probably 20% black.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Longbowman View Post
    This person is not 50% SSA. Probably he has one African-American parent. He's probably only 25% SSA.

    Yep:

    "His father is of African-American, Jamaican, German, and English ancestry"

    Probably 20% black.
    OK, he is not 50% SSA, I already knew it. But that is not the point you should have caught.
    Ryan Giggs is another example. He is a mulato, even if not 50% SSA either. Yet he looks white for most of people.

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    not white, eot

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cristiano viejo View Post
    OK, he is not 50% SSA, I already knew it. But that is not the point you should have caught.
    Ryan Giggs is another example. He is a mulato, even if not 50% SSA either. Yet he looks white for most of people.
    I think a 20% SSA person can be white even though SSA DNA is ofc far removed from Eurasian DNA. I wouldn't say Celestia is black, for example, being 3% SSA doesn't make you black. Does 6%? 12%? Again I go purely by phenotype.
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