How the German Empire provoked Ottoman jihad in WW1

[Loki]

[Andullero]

Like their tolerance (and covert support) of Lenin and his insurgents by facilitating their safe passage into Russia, this 2nd Reich support for those Muslims is one of those things that have come to bite the West hard in the arse. Lothrop Stoddard was perhaps among the most prescient of commenters when he predicted the horrible consecuences this infighting among westerners would have on a planetary scale.

[Loki]

This is really shocking, I think I have lost all respect for the Kaiser after hearing about this. He basically encouraged Muslim jihad against Christian Europe, as long as they were not German or Austro-Hungarian. How evil! And yes, I think this was one of the biggest mistakes Germany had ever made.

[Blondie]

This is really shocking, I think I have lost all respect for the Kaiser after hearing about this. He basically encouraged Muslim jihad against Christian Europe, as long as they were not German or Austro-Hungarian. How evil! And yes, I think this was one of the biggest mistakes Germany had ever made.

It was just Realpolitik, but at same time Germany and the Austrian Empire contributed a lot to stop the ottoman invasion of Europe and to kick them out from Central Europe and even Balkans when France was ottoman ally for a long time. The biggest mistake of Germany was losing the WW2, because soviets influenced the western world a lot with their marixts propaganda, you can see it everywhere in West Europe nowadays.

[mentalanesthesia]

The goal of that "jihad" was to make the colonised muslims in Africa, India etc. revolt so Britain and France would have material and manpower shortages since they would lose some of their overseas possesions. It wasn't a planned brown muslim invasion of Europe. But this was a fantasy since Ottoman Empire wasn't influential or strong enough at the time to be a rallying point for oppressed muslims so jihad achieved nothing.

[KirillMazur]

The biggest mistake of Germany was losing the WW2, because soviets influenced the western world a lot with their marixts propaganda, you can see it everywhere in West Europe nowadays.

“Having made the decision to get new lands in Europe, we could get them in general only at the expense of Russia. In this case, we had to, girding our loins, move along the same road along which the knights of our orders once walked. The German sword would have to conquer the land for the German plow and thus provide the daily bread of the German nation. "

It is enough to know this from all of Mein Kampf to judge Hitler and Hitlerism.
The American and Island bankers pumped up Hitler's with technologies and money. And Hitler was planning a drag nach osten from the very beginning of his career. he didn't care about ideology, about the British colonies, about the Jews, about R1a vs R1b etc. - it's just that you have such a tradition - to go east for something that doesn't belong to you. Now Germany is not even a vassal, but a protectorate. But Russia is to blame, as always.

Or do you think that someone should determine which nations to live and which to go to the oven? I can please you, fascism was not defeated in 1945, the USSR simply postponed its spread for 50 years. How could fascism be defeated if all the main fascists fled to the territory of the victorious country - the United States. Fascism was destroyed only in the form of Nazism, but liberal fascism (aka the dictatorship of capital) is alive as never before (oppression of the poor by the rich).
But since there were no more places for capital expansion on the planet, then fascism began to eat itself - to reduce the population and optimize costs for everyone else.
The fascists are alive and in power - just look at Klaus Schwab and his biography. If the USSR had lost in 1945, then Covid or similar measures would have simply come much earlier, and perhaps we would not have communicated here. And so the USSR gave the planet, perhaps, 50 happiest years of existence.
As for Marxism, I agree, modern fascism interprets many of its dogmas in its favor. After all, this is a weapon invented by capital, and it is important to whom and how it serves.

[sean]

Wilhelm II was mentally ill. Madness ran in the family, which included Ludwig II of Bavaria, who lived in his own fairy-tale dream world.

Imperial Germany had many wars with new Islamic Calipates in Africa formed during the Fulani Jihad (Adamawa Wars, Maji Maji Rebellion), at the time, Sudan was ruled by Egypt, which was in turn controlled by Great Britain. This angered many local Muslims who resented being controlled by non-Muslims and lamented the loss of true Islam in Africa.

Napoleon’s brief victory in Egypt exposed the fact that the Ottoman military and government in Cairo was in the firm grip of the Mamluks, many of whom were tired of fighting on behalf of Istanbul. By 1805, Ottoman Egypt was all but officially independent thanks to the administration of Muhammad Ali, an Ottoman viceroy of Albanian extraction.

So Kaiser who was anti-British made a deal with the Ottoman Empire. It was just a political alliance. The Ottomans however were a lost cause, they just wanted to retake lands they'd lost over the years.

Germany's only hope was allying with Russia against Britain by supporting Russia in the Great Game which threatened British India, but instead Wilhelm pushed Russia and Britain together by focusing on a naval build up.

He alienated the UK (despite them being the biggest trade partner and before WW1 the biggest pro-German power in the west) and then attempted to piss on the USA. He also allied to Austria, knowing that they were fractured and dying.

When he visited Jerusalem in 1898, he dedicated a Lutheran Church to the Ottoman Empire, he walked through two arches: one made as a sign of friendship by the Ottomans, the other a sign of friendship by the Jews of Palestine.

Spoiler!

Wilhelm and his procession of carriages found the Jaffa Gate too small and narrow to pass through. He ordered a section of the wall torn down and the moat filled up so that he and his party could proceed in style. The Ottoman authorities complied (they were desperate for an alliance with him to save their dying Empire), destroying the wall built by Suleiman the Magnificent in the 16th century.

Spoiler!

He had sympathies for the Zionists too, but his proposal to have a state for the Jews was rejected by the Ottoman Empire.

Anyway, he was a lunatic and what's more a stupid one who can't even find a plausible way to spruik his conspiracy theories.

Spoiler!

Prussians ruined Germany in the long term tbh. The only worthwhile Prussians that aided in the rise of the Germans were Bismarck, Moltke, and von Roon. After that, the Prussian faction became corrupt and aided Wilhelm in debacles like forging a useless alliance with the Ottomans while organising radical Islamists around the world for the first time since Saladin in an attempt to overthrow British India and organising against Tsarist Russia because muh railroads, and then pushing the Russian Empire into Communism.

[Loki]

It was just Realpolitik, but at same time Germany and the Austrian Empire contributed a lot to stop the ottoman invasion of Europe and to kick them out from Central Europe and even Balkans when France was ottoman ally for a long time. The biggest mistake of Germany was losing the WW2, because soviets influenced the western world a lot with their marixts propaganda, you can see it everywhere in West Europe nowadays.

I don't think the current Western Philo-communism has anything to do with the Soviets. It developed independently in the West, and remember that Karl Marx was German. There was a Socialist leftwing in Western Europe before the Soviet Union.

These Western socialists actually hate Russia, as can be seen recently in their paranoid obsession about Trump and Russia.

[Blondie]

I don't think the current Western Philo-communism has anything to do with the Soviets. It developed independently in the West, and remember that Karl Marx was German. There was a Socialist leftwing in Western Europe before the Soviet Union.

These Western socialists actually hate Russia, as can be seen recently in their paranoid obsession about Trump and Russia.

Nope, Karl Marx was jewish not german, and this complete cultural-marxism is connected to the soviet propaganda. The first feminist movements were in the Soviet Union, just like the legalization of abortion:

"In practice, Russian women saw massive gains in their rights under Communism. Women's suffrage was granted. Abortion was legalized in 1920, making the Soviet Union the first country to do so; however, it was banned again between 1936 and 1955. In 1922, marital rape was made illegal in the Soviet Union.[15]"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feminism_in_Russia

Also the soviet Union was the leader of the all anti "racist" movements, they criticized the USA for their racial laws. Moscow trained such politicians like Nelson Mandela, and they supported the western socialists as well with tons of money and basically the communists exterminated all nationalist and patriot movement in East Europe because it's "fascism". Are you christian right? The soviets persecuted christians and they destroyed many church in Russia and they promoted atheism and massacred many priest:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religi...e_Soviet_Union





Its not propaganda just fact. Btw its not a problem if you like the modern Russia, but i have no idea why are you defend the Soviet Union.

[DarkSecret]

What jihad are you talking about? This never worked. I think they are teaching you fake history in England. Arabs joined the jihad against the Ottomans on the side of the British. Now do not cry over the jihad, please. This is funny.