Are Southern European migrants in Northern Europe disproportionately Med-looking? If so, why?

[Tooting Carmen]

When thinking about the most prominent people in Britain, France, Netherlands etc. of Southern European origin, ironically they tend to look more uniformly Mediterranean than people in those countries themselves do. Some examples:

French celebrities of Spanish origin

Anne Hidalgo, Mayoress of Paris


Jean Reno, actor


Diego Buñuel, filmmaker


Estelle Redpill, political activist (Italo-Spanish mix)


British celebrities of Italian origin

Nancy Dell'Olio, lawyer


Ronni Ancona, comedienne


Antonio Carluccio RIP and Gennaro Contaldo, chefs


Gino D'Acampo, chef and fitness instructor


Joe Wicks, fitness instructor (Italian mother)


Luke Pasqualino, actor


(Granted, there are some lighter types as well like singer Paolo Nutini, but I wouldn't say they are the norm).


British celebrities of Albanian origin

Dua Lipa, singer


Rita Ora, singer


British celebrities of Greek origin

Peter Polycarpou, actor


Damian Grammaticas, journalist


Theo Paphitis, businessman


And from Belgium, we have Portuguese-Spanish footballer Yannick Ferreira-Carrasco




I ask this because one of the constant themes of most anthrofora is that Southern Europeans are actually more pan-European in appearance as a whole than the stereotype.

[Ayetooey]

Most British citizens of Greek origin are Cypriots not from Greece itself, so its a clear answer to that question. I think Rita Ora is half gypsy.

[mitalit]

Diego Buñuel is half Jewish, no?

[Tooting Carmen]

Most British citizens of Greek origin are Cypriots not from Greece itself, so its a clear answer to that question. I think Rita Ora is half gypsy.

OK but what about those of Italian and Iberian origin? And I don't think the difference between Greeks from Greece and Greek-Cypriots is anything like as big as Sikeliot in particular liked to claim either.

[Tooting Carmen]

Diego Buñuel is half Jewish, no?

True, but I think he doesn't look too different from his Spanish father and grandfather.

[Ayetooey]

OK but what about those of Italian and Iberian origin? And I don't think the difference between Greeks from Greece and Greek-Cypriots is anything like as big as Sikeliot in particular liked to claim either.

It's still unfair to use Cypriots as an example, its an entirely separate country, and genetically Cypriots are mainly local Levantine in origin plotting closest to druze. Iberians aren't exactly light like what TA trolls like to claim, most of them are just MED people; why would the migrants look any different? As for Italians, I'd presume that most of them come from the poorer regions of Italy (which are disproportionately in the South).

[mitalit]

True, but I think he doesn't look too different from his Spanish father and grandfather.

He looks perfectly Spanish, but he looks very different from his father and grandfather

[Tooting Carmen]

It's still unfair to use Cypriots as an example, its an entirely separate country, and genetically Cypriots are mainly local Levantine in origin plotting closest to druze.

Yes, but the West Asian admixture even in Greece itself is pretty formidable too, and I think most Greek Greeks and Greek-Cypriots individually could pass in each others' nations, even if they look different as groups.

Iberians aren't exactly light like what TA trolls like to claim, most of them are just MED people; why would the migrants look any different?

Point taken.

As for Italians, I'd presume that most of them come from the poorer regions of Italy (which are disproportionately in the South).

Yeah I think many of my examples are from Campania southwards. But still, according to some in anthrofora, even Southern Italians are much less Med-looking than the stereotype too.

[Ayetooey]

Yeah individually many could pass I'm sure, but when the vast majority of Greek speakers in the UK come from Cyprus, it shouldn't be surprising to anyone that they're almost universally east med looking as a diaspora group.

And as for Italians, I know Luke Pasqualino is Sicilian and Neapolitan. There's for sure more people coming from places like this than Milan and Tyrol in UK, Germany etc. I don't agree with the assessment that southern Italians are less med-looking as a sterotype; just because Sikeliot tried to wrongly portray Sicilians as Menas/Levantines doesn't mean we should now portray them as some kind of central Europeans in response. This is a region where the overwhelming majority of people are dark haired and eyed so I'm not sure why anyone would expect diaspora to look nordid.

[Faklon]

Grammaticas clearly passes as high caste Indian, the two Cypriot old men as his servants!

Yes, but the West Asian admixture even in Greece itself is pretty formidable too

Here we go again, what population brought the West Asian admixture?

West-Asian admixture in comparison to whom? What nation or cultural tribe?