Are Southern European migrants in Northern Europe disproportionately Med-looking? If so, why?

[Damião de Góis]

Pra evitar caçar desgaste com os portugueses do forum, vou escrever em português mesmo. Alguns fenótipos mais escuros parecem ser comuns em portugal, muitos até poderiam não ser considerados como brancos no Brasil por pelo menos parte das pessoas.



Acredito que pardos claros 70-80% euro podem passar como brancos no Brasil. Mas quando 80-90% euro que é a maioria dos brancos no Brasil, as pessoas ficam claras praticamente por unanimidade, pelo menos de pele. Essa brasileira por exemplo pode ser talvez 82/84% euro, 9% africana, 8% Indígena, mas é consideravelmente mais clara que os dois europeus conversando com ela e situações do tipo não são incomuns.

And i'm gonna write in english since this thread is not in the portuguese or brazilian forums.

So apparently the guy on the video is common in Portugal and would not be considered white in Brazil and the brazilian woman is clearly lighter.

Well, i can tell you he's not common. I don't know his geneology tree, who knows if he has a Goan grandmother or whatever? Not everyone in Portugal is 100% portuguese, which is something brazilian members never understood. We have a big colonial past.

If i put him next to a group of bullfighters (who are hardly foreign) i see a difference:






I can tell you the other woman in the video is half british half indian because i've seen her videos before. The brazilian woman looks kind of strange to me, i don't think she is fully euro. So using her to say brazilians are lighter than portuguese is again bizarre.

No Brasil, até tem o pseudo branco ou pardo claro, mas é obviamente por resultado de eles serem por volta 20/25/30% africano ou indígena. Exemplo seriam os ex presidentes Lula e Fernando Henrique ou a Adriana Lima. Inclusive essas pessoas não se dizem brancas e comentam de sua linhagem diversa.

Entendo que possa ser confuso, até pra mim o Lula é branco independente do que ele diga e o Fernando Henrique é pardo de classe alta mesmo. Também não estou dizendo que sou o dono absoluto da verdade, mas essa é minha opinião.

I'm not gonna comment about "light pardos", or if you think they are lighter than portuguese people as well.

[Septentrion]

And i'm gonna write in english since this thread is not in the portuguese or brazilian forums.

So apparently the guy on the video is common in Portugal and would not be considered white in Brazil and the brazilian woman is clearly lighter.

Well, i can tell you he's not common. I don't know his geneology tree, who knows if he has a Goan grandmother or whatever? Not everyone in Portugal is 100% portuguese, which is something brazilian members never understood. We have a big colonial past.

If i put him next to a group of bullfighters (who are hardly foreign) i see a difference:






I can tell you the other woman in the video is half british half indian because i've seen her videos before. The brazilian woman looks kind of strange to me, i don't think she is fully euro. So using her to say brazilians are lighter than portuguese is again bizarre.




I'm not gonna comment about "light pardos", or if you think they are lighter than portuguese people as well.

I have known so many Portuguese people. So I wouldn’t think that the guy is average for Portugal. He definitely darker than average. Don’t be surprised about Brazil, it is one of the most racially-mixed nation on earth. I have seen Brazilian Whites as dark as that fellow.

[renaissance12]

Sicily?

No Naples...

Nino D'angelo and his twin Luke Skywalker.....and Tony Esposito drum artist...

[Tenma de Pegasus]

I have known so many Portuguese people. So I wouldn’t think that the guy is average for Portugal. He definitely darker than average. Don’t be surprised about Brazil, it is one of the most racially-mixed nation on earth. I have seen Brazilian Whites as dark as that fellow.

I doubt you are saying the truth, its very ankward to brazilians going out saying they are white or pardo. So hardly know what they think about their race. I bet you probably saw pardos and thought they were white.

[Tenma de Pegasus]

And i'm gonna write in english since this thread is not in the portuguese or brazilian forums.

So apparently the guy on the video is common in Portugal and would not be considered white in Brazil and the brazilian woman is clearly lighter to society and its future.

Well, i can tell you he's not common. I don't know his geneology tree, who knows if he has a Goan grandmother or whatever? Not everyone in Portugal is 100% portuguese, which is something brazilian members never understood. We have a big colonial past.

If i put him next to a group of bullfighters (who are hardly foreign) i see a difference:






I can tell you the other woman in the video is half british half indian because i've seen her videos before. The brazilian woman looks kind of strange to me, i don't think she is fully euro. So using her to say brazilians are lighter than portuguese is again bizarre.




I'm not gonna comment about "light pardos", or if you think they are lighter than portuguese people as well.

Im not saying they are average, far from that of course, im just saying they exist and we cant ignore it. It just part of Portugal and we dont need to think about it as something positive or negative, its just irrelevant.



I know portuguese average is closer to these other girls, nobady need to get upset. Anything we discuss on apricity is irrelevant to our societies.

[Septentrion]

I doubt you are saying the truth, its very ankward to brazilians going out saying they are white or pardo. So hardly know what they think about their race. I bet you probably saw pardos and thought they were white.

White Brazilian are as a whole a mixed-race with varying frequencies of Sub-Saharan African or Amerindian ancestry or both. The most European ones are in the south. The Portuguese are White folks.

[Tenma de Pegasus]

White Brazilian are as a whole a mixed-race with varying frequencies of Sub-Saharan African or Amerindian ancestry or both. The most European ones are in the south. The Portuguese are White folks.

Indeed, most white brazilians are 80-90% european people, but some are 70-80 or 90-100. Still some europeans 99% european are dark skinned.

[Septentrion]

Indeed, most white brazilians are 80-90% european people, but some are 70-80 or 90-100. Still some europeans 99% european are dark skinned.

80% to 90%? Ha!ha!ha! It really depends on the region though. Many by the One Drop Rule would be non-Whites. Some may be lighter than the average Mediterranean Portuguese or Spaniard due to their central or northern or Eastern European origins, nevertheless this doesn’t negate their non-European origins. Does it?
You may be light sure, but still showing Sub-Saharan or Amerindian admixture. Brazil did not have Jim Crow or Apartheid or racial segregationist laws. Thus, many Whites did intermix. I am well aware of the system of «Blanquiamento» that took in the entire Latin America. You were trying to hide your «Geronimo» or «Negroid» genes by intermixture with White or European immigrants. Portuguese are still Europeans.

[Damião de Góis]

Im not saying they are average, far from that of course, im just saying they exist and we cant ignore it. It just part of Portugal and we dont need to think about it as something positive or negative, its just irrelevant.



I know portuguese average is closer to these other girls, nobady need to get upset. Anything we discuss on apricity is irrelevant to our societies.

So its turns out the Portuguese With Leo guy is half portuguese half argentinian.



What a surprise... Of course i had no way of knowing this, people here don't have wiki pages with their full ancestry, all i could say was that he was not average. But i bet brazilian members (i think other brazilian members have mentioned him before) chimped out when they saw him. He's also the sort of people someone like Tooting Carmen would post to show how dark southern europeans are.

I have no idea who your newest example is and i won't be able to find any information about him. In any case are you going to tell me he is dark for brazilian standards? We have loads of brazilians in Portugal now. I think any portuguese person would be surprised at the notion that brazilians were supposed to be lighter than them (the white ones).

[Tenma de Pegasus]

So its turns out the Portuguese With Leo guy is half portuguese half argentinian.



What a surprise... Of course i had no way of knowing this, people here don't have wiki pages with their full ancestry, all i could say was that he was not average. But i bet brazilian members (i think other brazilian members have mentioned him before) chimped out when they saw him. He's also the sort of people someone like Tooting Carmen would post to show how dark southern europeans are.

I have no idea who your newest example is and i won't be able to find any information about him. In any case are you going to tell me he is dark for brazilian standards? We have loads of brazilians in Portugal now. I think any portuguese person would be surprised at the notion that brazilians were supposed to be lighter than them (the white ones).

Not brazilians in general, I dont need even to say that.
Interesting, you really searched about Leo to discover his mother is argentine, I would never knew that, great investigation.