Which phenotype / subtype do you consider BS?

[El_Jibaro]

Every phenotype is bullshit, more or less. Entire physical anthropology depends a lot on subjective view of person who use it. Especially if we talk about internet anthropology.

There is some truth to this. Also, many people seem to classify more based on geographic location or ancestry than anything else.

It is just silly psuedo science anyway, not meant to be taken seriously.

[lei.talk]

alföld turanid, fake phenotype created by hungarian ultranationalists.

the hungarian wikipedia page for anthropology professor lajos bartucz
(who originally labelled "Der Alföld Typus")

should include his political persuasion and motivation
for doing so.

additional text to the page
should be accompanied by citations
to reference material.

Lajos Bartucz The variation of the Turanid type bound to the soil of our homeland and most certainly developed here is what I had previously referred to as 'Caucasian Mongolid', and which I have named 'Alföldi race' (Homo pannonicus) as of late, as its most typical representatives are found on the great Hungarian Plain and Transdanubia. At the same time, this is the racial type which fits the honouring description of the 'Magyar type', as it is nowhere else in the world to be found in this form.

[Odelia]

Most of them in all honesty. Alfold? Lmao. Noric?

Those that have some basis in them are Mediterranean, Nordic, Armenoid, Indid, Australoid, Negroid, Arabid and Mongoloid.

The rest are in-betweeners...

[Immanenz]

Most of them in all honesty. Alfold? Lmao. Noric?

Those that have some basis in them are Mediterranean, Nordic, Armenoid, Indid, Australoid, Negroid, Arabid and Mongoloid.

The rest are in-betweeners...

lol, obv. you have to rely on sm. like eye area, pigmentation and other soft features to distinguish between those Caucasoid types like Med and Arabid (You know the differences very well because you are a Lebanese or sm.) Craniometrically there are Cromag, Alpine, small/ robust Long Heads and Taurids.

[XenophobicPrussian]

Every phenotype is bullshit, more or less. Entire physical anthropology depends a lot on subjective view of person who use it. Especially if we talk about internet anthropology.

No, not especially internet anthropology. Actual early "scientific" anthropology was far more pseudo-scientific, see my signature. Internet anthropology correlates far more to genetics.

[SouthDutch7991]

Obviously different countries have different looks, but I think most phenotypes outside of the basic racial level are pretty subjective. Of course, phenotype is merely a useful way to describe observed phenomenon, just as race is, so that doesn't necessarily make them "wrong". But maybe it's inaccurate to assign all these sub-phenotypes to parts of countries when in reality there is going to be massive overlap between any northwest European country and even between north and south. Let alone regional differences. There are old-stock British Islanders who look like people from regions of Italy or Spain, and vice versa. And when it comes to those two countries, the most heavily wogged looks only coincide with their MENA-heavy southern regions. In Italy, and Spain even moreso, the basic look is still common to find in Northern Europe. There is in my opinion a "common euro" phenotype that most countries in Europe have to some extent, even if they deny it.

[XenophobicPrussian]

Anglo-Saxon, West Baltid, Paleo Atlantid, Strandid, Irano-Nordoid, Baskid. Probably a few more I missed.

A lot of the names are stupid too. "CM" should be named after a mesolithic or later paleolithic sample, as at the time of the French sample Cro Magnon is named for(we're talking very shortly after humans entered Europe, and their genetics reflect it), they probably looked something like this weird pseudo-Papuan featured looking Saami(if they looked like any modern populations at all):


(ignore the dumb caption)


(middle guy with the fro)

Hallstatt sites in central Europe(therefore the name "Hallstatt Nordid") also have nothing(or very little, Swedes will have very minor single digit Hallstatt/Urnfield admixture) to do with actual blonde, long faced, clean featured people from Sweden, is another example.

[XenophobicPrussian]

A few people mentioned East Nordid. Remember looks is all we're going by(should be, anyway) all facial/head features as well, not just craniometry(body type/height differences vary/diverge too much between different head/facial phenotypes to be considered, even though oldschool anthropology would have you believe otherwise, for example 5'8 Ramon Dekkers cannot be considered anything but Nordid). Someone classified as "East Nordid" from Russia is genetically closer to someone classified as "Pontid", "Neo-Danubian" or "Med" from Russia than to someone classified as "Nordid" from a place like the Netherlands or England, in every case. I think these people look absolutely alien to what people would consider to be Nordids in a place like the Netherlands:







So yes, "East Nordid" is very useful as a tool to distinguish different types of looks, which is what a phenotype is(although some "phenotypes" do take it too far, splitting hairs really). The only people who I can see not seeing a difference are African Americans who can't tell the difference between Sub-Saharan Africans and Papuans/Aborigines.

[Halvard]

Arabid (rather vaguely defined, and people usually post Armenoid-influenced individuals for it), Pre-Slavic (people post Turanids/Volgids ​and call them Pre-Slavic), Paleo-Sardinian (some kind of Berid for Sicily and Malta?), sometimes Corded (people posting infantile Balto-Nordids for it, when it's supposed to be reduced CM + "unreduced CM" + Nordid), Norid (misconception whether it is a light pigmented Dinaric or a Nordid-Dinarid blend or even a Dinarid-Baltid blend, people using it ambiguously), West Baltid (supposed to be pred Faelid with "rather" minor Baltisation in form of the skull shape, more neoteny, less unreduced-esque body), Brünn and Borreby (people post Alpines, even if they look British or Danish or north German or whatever and call them that), the differentiation between a regular Nordo-Faelid and Trønder/Anglo-Saxon, Atlantids (which people seem to attach to the British isles, while it just refers to a Nordid-Mediterranid blend, the attachment to the British isles and "the West" makes people stop using it for proper Nordid-Mediterranid blends and use "Nordo-Med" instead, regardless whether that blend occurs in Russia or as far west as in Portugal), Gorid (which not necessarily always refers to an Alpine with Baltisation, but could also be seen as an Alpine with local Eastern European influences, not just from Baltid, but also from Dinaric, some of these have closer-set eyes and hyperleptorrhine noses, as per Agrippa) etc etc etc.

Actually the Paleo Sardinian type was invented/discovered first. Berid is just Lundman’s Paleo Sardinian so your criticism should be the other way around I think. Berids are Paleo Sardinians for Iberians.

[coolfrenchguy]

i fit at 70% with the tavastid,same similar rounded face but less wider and a bit 30% higher, it's the phenotype than i'am the closer