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    Default What does “being native to the land” mean?

    In my opinion, such term is very subjective and relative. For example, my lineage have been living in Turkey for 2 generations and if you ask me, I am a native of Turkey. So, what determines whether someone is native to land or not?

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    Go to place - kill/replace/assimilate existing population - leave nobody behind to remember - congratulations youre native to the region.

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    Whoever arrived there first.

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    Having local surnames and cluster genetically with local people should be enough to be considered native.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Damiăo de Góis View Post
    Having local surnames and cluster genetically with local people should be enough to be considered native.
    What if the locals are genetically very diverse?

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    In case of Native Americans there is some speculation that an now gone Australoid population was found in the Americas before them, IIRC some amazon people score single digit australoid in certain tribes. Who is really native? were "Native Americans" also conquerers, replacing or killing a former population? In case of europeans, who was first, who was native? do we start with Homo heidelbergensis? Do we consider them even humans? What about Neanderthals? Before Indo Europeans or even Caucasoids there were probably a ton of different people in Europe, some probably would not count as Caucasoid in racial terms. But they are gone, so Caucasoids are Native to Europe, there is no other race in europe besides caucasoids, maybe a few mongoloied admixutred ones in the far east and north. In case of Asia. you could argue that the mongoloids are native, but in reality probably Australoids or Negritid people where there before them,and they are still alive, yet almost gone nowadays. But no one would doubt it that Asians are native. I think this only makes sense for recent migrations, but when do you draw the line? Can one considered gypsies native europeans? They are around here for almost 1000 years IIRC. How much time does have to pass so one can be considered native? what is the real definition of native?

    For Africans, the Bantu expaned quite a bit in territories where mostly Khoisan or Pygmy people lived. But they developed on the same continent as capoids, so are both native? The term is really diffuse and subjective.

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    The first group to create a civilization there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aruncaz View Post
    What if the locals are genetically very diverse?
    They might be within a country but not at regional level. Having genetically diverse locals at regional level is not the rule and tells me this region probably has a recent history of population replacement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hektor12 View Post
    Go to place - kill/replace/assimilate existing population - leave nobody behind to remember - congratulations youre native to the region.
    You have a lot of experience in doing just that. Congratulations you have earned yourselves the first prize .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Damiăo de Góis View Post
    They might be within a country but not at regional level. Having genetically diverse locals at regional level is not the rule and tells me this region probably has a recent history of population replacement.
    What about İstanbul? Locals of the city is pretty diverse, genetically speaking.

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