Is New Zealand the ultimate example of how modernism and indigenism are NOT incompatible?

[Tooting Carmen]

Think about it. On the one hand, New Zealand is a very prosperous and modern liberal democracy with very low levels of crime and corruption and scores very well in terms of political rights and civil liberties (notwithstanding the current border closures and restrictions related to the pandemic). On the other hand, the Maori language enjoys full official status - Prime Minister Ardern even gave her inauguration speech last year bilingually - and many elements of Maori culture are prominent in 'mainstream' Kiwi culture and society such as the haka, while ever since the Treaty of Waitangi the Maoris' land rights have essentially been inviolable.

[Voskos]

Possibly. Would this have worked if NZ weren't prosperous?

[Tooting Carmen]

Possibly. Would this have worked if NZ weren't prosperous?

This gets the question back-to-front. In many New World countries, the indigenous groups are often blamed for the overall poverty and backwardness of said countries, and there is the belief they should be fully assimilated into Western culture and we should forget about their attachments to their traditional land and the maintenance of their languages and cultural traditions.

[frankhammer]

Think about it. On the one hand, New Zealand is a very prosperous and modern liberal democracy with very low levels of crime and corruption and scores very well in terms of political rights and civil liberties (notwithstanding the current border closures and restrictions related to the pandemic). On the other hand, the Maori language enjoys full official status - Prime Minister Ardern even gave her inauguration speech last year bilingually - and many elements of Maori culture are prominent in 'mainstream' Kiwi culture and society such as the haka, while ever since the Treaty of Waitangi the Maoris' land rights have essentially been inviolable.

You see and believe what the Govt and MSM wants you to see. We are now more divided along ethnic lines than the past.

People are not happy being greeted in or spoken to in Maori first, over English. In a room full of Europeans, you would expect the first greeting to be in English, then Maori. And vice versa. It seems like a common sense way to address the situation.

In reality, these public sector plebs speak Maori first, no matter the audience and cry racism when people boo them. Then report it in the media to shame folk.

And bar the Haka, please, name these elements of Maori culture that are prominent within NZ's main British derived culture. And I will add, European folk doing the Haka is denounced heavily as cultural appropriation and used to shame folk in the media.

[Tooting Carmen]

You see and believe what the Govt and MSM wants you to see. We are now more divided along ethnic lines than the past.

People are not happy being greeted in or spoken to in Maori first, over English. In a room full of Europeans, you would expect the first greeting to be in English, then Maori. And vice versa. It seems like a common sense situation.

In reality, these public sector plebs speak Maori first, no matter the audience and cry racism when people boo them. Then report it in the media to shame folk.

And bar the Haka, please, name these elements of Maori culture that are prominent within NZ's main British derived culture. And I will add, European folk doing the Haka is denounced heavily as cultural appropriation and used to shame folk in the media.

Do Kieran Read, Owen Franks and the MacKenzie brothers get attacked for doing the Haka? Really?

[frankhammer]

Do Kieran Read, Owen Franks and the MacKenzie brothers get attacked for doing the Haka? Really?

All your examples are going to be sports people whose organisations have "embraced" diversity training and whose futures rely on following the rules.

Please, name these elements of Maori culture that are prominent within NZ's main British derived culture.

[Tooting Carmen]

All your examples are going to be sports people whose organisations have "embraced" diversity training and whose futures rely on following the rules.

Please, name these elements of Maori culture that are prominent within NZ's main British derived culture.

How you greet people with "kia ora"?

[frankhammer]

How you greet people with "kia ora"?

Again, we don't.

I'll be blunt TC. You seem the naive sort that believes all the BS you read and watch in the media.

The reality is, most Maori and everyone else say, hello. Nice to see or meet you. Or How's it going? The latter being a very common informal greeting. We shake hands. We do not hongi.

The haka is seen by many as over-used and we don't all join in, in some bizarre cross cultural interaction.

The Maori that do well here, are those that join in the main-stream society. Working hard like everyone else, to achieve good outcomes for their families. Or those who join the public sector, where competition isn't important. The type of work most mediocre folk end up in

[Erronkari]

Ok, but it’s an indigenism that doesn’t blame the british.
So It doesn’t carry any hatred nor division.
Just only to feel proud regarding all roots.
In that sense I find it great.

[frankhammer]

Ok, but it’s an indigenism that doesn’t blame the british.
So It doesn’t carry any hatred nor division.
Just only to feel proud regarding all roots.
In that sense I find it great.

Wrong. Colonisation is blamed for all their woes. They don’t even look at the tribes, such as the Ngapuhi, who invaded, raped, murdered and enslaved their tribes a mere 140 years ago.

The history since the British arrival is well documented. However, significant revisionism is happening rewriting reality with fantasy.