What's your K13 updated ethnic composition?

[Smitty]

My mom:

Target: Smitty_Mom
Distance: 0.9894% / 0.98940221
45.7 Norwegian
22.6 Sorb_Lusatia
20.4 Greek_Istanbul
6.3 Lebanese_Druze
2.8 Greek_West
1.2 Karitiana
0.9 Yoruban
0.1 Greater_Poland


Distance to: Mom
6.87363805 Austrian
8.83906669 Hungarian_Transdanubia+Budapest
9.14283873 Hungarian_Transylvania+Székely
9.16132087 French_Alsace
9.29645094 Swiss_German
9.31802018 Hungarian
9.66225647 German_South
10.08526648 Csángó-Ceangău
10.14836933 Croat_West
10.24460346 Swiss_German2
10.31583249 Hungarian_Alföld
10.37727806 German
10.43032118 Slovenian
10.46627441 Swiss_French
10.79757843 Croat_North
10.90409098 German_West
11.09054552 Croat
11.24132999 German_East
11.42260478 Pennsylvania_Dutch
11.53596550 Hungarian_North
12.03444639 Croat_South
12.18609453 Afrikaner
12.26466061 French_Northeast
12.55293193 Romania_Moldavia_North
12.61451148 Croat_East

[Richmondbread]

Target: Richmondbread
Distance: 1.3582% / 1.35816208 | ADC: 0.25x RC
59.6 German_East
21.7 Scottish_Gaidhealtachd
9.9 French_Basque
6.7 Dargin
1.5 Ethiopian_Ari_cultivator
0.6 Mayan

What is that Ethiopian doing in there?

[Kaspias]

Target: Kaspias
Distance: 1.3772% / 1.37722727 | ADC: 0.25x RC
37.3 Turk_Trakya
32.3 Pomak_Greece
16.1 Chuvash
11.9 Lebanese_Druze
2.4 Ket


Target: Kaspias_dad
Distance: 1.1799% / 1.17985768 | ADC: 0.25x RC
53.9 Turk_Trakya
14.9 Italian_Umbria
14.9 Turkmen
9.6 French_Provence
6.7 Evens

Target: Kaspias_mom_phased
Distance: 2.7786% / 2.77857651 | ADC: 0.25x RC
72.2 Pomak_Greece
16.4 Chuvash
11.4 Lebanese_Druze

[Grace O'Malley]

Target: Grace(irish)
Distance: 1.9009% / 1.90091955
69.6 Icelandic
19.6 West_Scottish
9.3 Irish_Ulster
1.3 Dargin
0.2 Karitiana


Target: Grace(irish)
Distance: 1.9088% / 1.90880770 | ADC: 0.25x RC
74.1 Icelandic
24.7 Irish_Ulster
0.9 Dargin
0.3 Karitiana

With Icelandic removed.


Target: Grace(irish)
Distance: 1.9875% / 1.98746505
47.1 Norwegian
35.6 West_Scottish
14.8 Irish_Ulster
2.3 Dargin
0.2 Karitiana

Target: Grace(irish)
Distance: 2.0010% / 2.00096682 | ADC: 0.25x RC
46.3 Norwegian
40.5 West_Scottish
10.7 Irish_Ulster
2.5 Dargin

These calculators can't distinguish between certain populations. What's the issue here? They are only calculators after all and they aren't looking at your dna like a geneticist.

Distance to: Grace(irish)
2.37583669 Icelandic
3.03324908 Scottish_Gaidhealtachd
3.90000000 Irish_Connacht
3.92126255 Scottish
3.97353747 Dutch_North
3.99221743 Scottish_Southwest
4.02823783 West_Scottish
4.04991358 Norwegian
4.11541006 Irish
4.25025882 Irish_Munster
4.25540832 Scottish_Northeast
4.25605451 Orcadian
4.35045975 Scottish_East
4.41269759 Irish_Leinster
4.50302121 Scottish_North_Highlands
4.52268725 Irish_Ulster
4.67891013 Denmark
4.67923071 Dutch_Central
4.86428823 Norway_South_Central
4.90855376 English_North
5.16241223 Welsh
5.19384251 Dutch
5.25249465 Sweden_Götaland
5.75115641 German_Northwest
5.81993127 English

[catgeorge]

Target: catgeorge
Distance: 0.6058% / 0.60576379
25.7 Greek_West
23.2 Greek_Istanbul
15.6 Italian_Marche
15.3 Austrian
6.1 Greek_Eastern-Macedonia
5.4 Greek_Trabzon
4.3 Italian_Aosta_Valley
2.6 Italian_Trentino
2.4 Swiss_Italian
0.3 Greek_Andros_Island

[Arzanene]

Target: Grace(irish)
Distance: 1.9009% / 1.90091955
69.6 Icelandic
19.6 West_Scottish
9.3 Irish_Ulster
1.3 Dargin
0.2 Karitiana


Target: Grace(irish)
Distance: 1.9088% / 1.90880770 | ADC: 0.25x RC
74.1 Icelandic
24.7 Irish_Ulster
0.9 Dargin
0.3 Karitiana

With Icelandic removed.


Target: Grace(irish)
Distance: 1.9875% / 1.98746505
47.1 Norwegian
35.6 West_Scottish
14.8 Irish_Ulster
2.3 Dargin
0.2 Karitiana

Target: Grace(irish)
Distance: 2.0010% / 2.00096682 | ADC: 0.25x RC
46.3 Norwegian
40.5 West_Scottish
10.7 Irish_Ulster
2.5 Dargin

These calculators can't distinguish between certain populations. What's the issue here? They are only calculators after all and they aren't looking at your dna like a geneticist.

Icelandic and Norwegian are Celto-germanic mixed populations. the calculators breakdown the celtic and germanic admixture and assigns the population closest to the amount of Germanic and Celtic you have. And there are tons of Celtic germanic mixed populations, English, Dutch, frisian, flemish, northwest German...ect. you would have to delete many more populations from the source to fully separate the irish from the Germanic admixture.

[Art23]

I am not Russian.

Target: Art23
Distance: 1.9162% / 1.91621302 | ADC: 0.25x RC
42.5 Russian_Southwest
41.8 Ukrainian
15.7 Greek_Northern-Thrace


Distance to: Art23
3.50229924 Moldova_Ukrainian
4.90887971 Ukrainian
5.84511762 Ukrainian_Galicia
6.28949919 Ukrainian_Carpathian
6.39032081 Russian_Southwest
7.02211507 Mazovia
7.26293329 Polish_Kielce
7.48875156 Silesian
7.56059521 South_Polish
8.16550060 Lower_Silesia
8.50087643 Greater_Poland
9.10047252 Belarusian_Minsk
9.18090409 Polish
9.27115419 Russian_average
9.34504682 Russian_Smolensk
9.55038219 Slovak
9.72053496 Bosniak_Bosnia
9.84622770 Podlaskie
10.09345332 Sorb_Lusatia
10.23511114 Croat_East
10.30592063 Mordovian
10.41493639 Hungarian_North
10.43146682 Belorussian
10.46901141 Kujawy
10.66853786 Moldova_North

[Dunai]

Target: Grace(irish)
Distance: 1.9009% / 1.90091955
69.6 Icelandic
19.6 West_Scottish
9.3 Irish_Ulster
1.3 Dargin
0.2 Karitiana


Target: Grace(irish)
Distance: 1.9088% / 1.90880770 | ADC: 0.25x RC
74.1 Icelandic
24.7 Irish_Ulster
0.9 Dargin
0.3 Karitiana

With Icelandic removed.


Target: Grace(irish)
Distance: 1.9875% / 1.98746505
47.1 Norwegian
35.6 West_Scottish
14.8 Irish_Ulster
2.3 Dargin
0.2 Karitiana

Target: Grace(irish)
Distance: 2.0010% / 2.00096682 | ADC: 0.25x RC
46.3 Norwegian
40.5 West_Scottish
10.7 Irish_Ulster
2.5 Dargin

These calculators can't distinguish between certain populations. What's the issue here? They are only calculators after all and they aren't looking at your dna like a geneticist.

Yes, since certain populations in Europe are so close with one another, than if you differ a little bit more from your national average (as in your case), you might get rather the results from the population which is closest to your national or regional average. With mixed people you will get somehow the populations in between your main two or three populations. But the minor percentage estimates are pretty interesting to see, since they show those small parts of your ancestry that you might have not known about.

[oszkar07]

I am curious after K13 updated (Vahaduo) has received so much more regional and national additions, what ethnic composition do you receive based on the most recent form of the calculator? Post your data with Add Dist Col 0.25X.

Target: Dunai
Distance: 0.7810% / 0.78095020 | ADC: 0.25x RC
41.7 Hungarian_Transylvania+Székely
38.2 Austrian
18.0 North-Swedish
2.1 Kirgiz

Your looks nice with the Hungarian Szekely result.
Your Nth Swedish probably doesnt make sense in terms of your ancestry.

Personally I dont find K13 modelling composition very good.
Because it tends to produce a balancing act of populations that will produce the lowest distance and the modelling I think is based on components .
For example because I get around 1.80 Red Sea I get attributed small % Saudi ...do I actually have Saudi ancestry ...most likely not .
Because I get 2.29 % Siberian ... K13 attributes me some Finnish % ...do I have Finnish ancestry probably not.
On the otherhand the Austrian and German % I get are probably midpoint populations between my Hungarian and British ancestry but on their own probably not specific to my actual ancestry.
On the other hand the distance to populations result I get in K13 is probably not too unrealistic given my background.


Target: Oszkar
Distance: 1.4838% / 1.48379279 | ADC: 0.25x RC
40.4 Austrian
32.8 German
22.4 Southwest_Finnish
4.4 Saudi


Distance to: Oszkar
3.72317069 Austrian
5.04733593 German_East
7.00882301 German
7.93366246 Hungarian_Transdanubia+Budapest
8.14288647 Czech
8.25083632 Slovenian
8.82207459 Hungarian
9.51402123 Croat_North
9.59022419 Hungarian_North
9.87401134 Slovak
9.98206892 Hungarian_Alföld
10.03557173 French_Alsace
10.11848309 German_South
10.13897924 German_West
10.81012026 Swiss_German
11.10263933 Afrikaner
11.34722874 North_German
11.69236931 Croat
11.71474712 Dutch_South
11.72224381 Swiss_German2
11.72239310 Croat_West
11.80086014 Belgian
11.80086014 Flemish
11.95351831 German_Northwest
12.05339786 Hungarian_Transylvania+Székely

[Grace O'Malley]

Icelandic and Norwegian are Celto-germanic mixed populations. the calculators breakdown the celtic and germanic admixture and assigns the population closest to the amount of Germanic and Celtic you have. And there are tons of Celtic germanic mixed populations, English, Dutch, frisian, flemish, northwest German...ect. you would have to delete many more populations from the source to fully separate the irish from the Germanic admixture.

I just delete Icelandic because they are an island population that are a mixture of Scandinavian and Irish/Scots so not a source population. I know Irish are Northwestern Europeans. I was just meaning that the calculators like this have trouble really showing your correct ethnicity unlike a test like 23&Me for example.