Is Pax Americana over?

[Lemminkäinen]

It seems that ten years ago there was a similar thread

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...-Pax-Americana

Some interesting reflections of this old thread:

Now that the Red Army has gone home, Eastern Europe is free, and the Soviet Union no longer exists, what is the argument for maintaining U.S. Air Force, Army and naval bases and thousands of U.S. troops in Europe?

Close the bases, and bring the troops home.

The same with South Korea and Japan. Now that Mao is dead and gone and China is capitalist, Seoul and Tokyo trade more with Beijing than they do with us.

South Korea has 40 times the economy and twice the population of North Korea. Japan’s economy is almost as large as China’s. Why cannot these two powerful and prosperous nations provide the troops, planes, ships and missiles to defend themselves? We can sell them whatever they need.

Why is their defense still our responsibility?

In the Persian Gulf we have a strategic interest: oil. But the oil-rich nations of the region have an even greater interest in selling their oil than we do in buying it. For, without oil sales, the Gulf has little the world needs or wants.

Let the world look out for itself for a while. Time to start looking out for America and Americans first. For if we don’t, who will?

Of course this same question has been asked several times, like do you prefer tea or coffee, without agendas. I had no secret motive to ask it, although some people see hidden agendas and secret motives almost everywhere. This question is fueled by the rise of China and strenghtened by ideas like "America first" in USA. Such questions like "what will Europe do" are totally different in Europe. We have to ask different questions about threats etc and we have to have discussion. So it is lame that especially some people from Americas behave like "don't ask, are you a commie", lol. We have seen that things can happen even in a global measure very quickly.

[luc2112]

Economically all countries are in a way competitors, also Brazil and USA.

but we are not enemies





Russia does exercises with whom currently? China?

[Laku]

But there are, and lot more of it made in China.
China is rising, usa is declining.

Maybe. But China and Russia are two different countries.
It will be interesting to know your point of view about this declining of USA.

[Ford]

I don't think so, at least as things stand at the moment.
The biggest issue is the silent and naive acceptance of the Trojan horse that is China into the Western world.
People don't even seem to be aware of the expansion China has made into Africa, let alone the possible repercussions it might have in the future.

[luc2112]

I don't think so, at least as things stand at the moment.
The biggest issue is the silent and naive acceptance of the Trojan horse that is China into the Western world.
People don't even seem to be aware of the expansion China has made into Africa, let alone the possible repercussions it might have in the future.

I agree, but china's goal in Africa is a new factory floor with cheap work force from the world and its huge consumer market.

The price of labor has increased in China, in theory some factories will return to their countries. This explains the favorable policy of unqualified immigrants in Europe who lied to their population to be "multi-cultural"

[Veslan]

Kabul crisis could become what Suez crisis was for British and French - a point of no return and worldwide humiliation moment that shall doom their global influence forever. Unless the Americans will recover like after Vietnam, which I think is less likely because it would require them to have a second Reagan, a second Brzeziński and some smart strategy to counter China.

[Dušan]

I don't think so, at least as things stand at the moment.
The biggest issue is the silent and naive acceptance of the Trojan horse that is China into the Western world.
People don't even seem to be aware of the expansion China has made into Africa, let alone the possible repercussions it might have in the future.

So what?
At least China will not bomb my nation and support Albanians, Bosnian Muslims and Croats against us, like usa did.

[Veslan]

Quite far from over, don't see the US losing it's pedestal to anyone in at least 200 years

In 200 years the US will be probably Spanish speaking and totally irrelevant if it will even exist.

[Westbrook]

Let's ask Kuwait, Egypt, Armenia, or Serbia/Yugoslavia what it's like to depend on Russia as an ally.

If you're allied with the Russians, it looks like the only thing they have is military equipment and some trucks. What I have some admiration for the Russians were practical and objective for military and space projects, but it is not an economic superpower...

[Westbrook]

People are overlooking or outright ignorant of the demographic/economic/political problems on the horizon for China and the CCP. There seems to be this perception that they are just going to continue to grow in power exponentially until they are unmatched in the world and it's just not reality in the slightest no matter what happens with the US or Europe.

Kabul crisis could become what Suez crisis was for British and French - a point of no return and worldwide humiliation moment that shall doom their global influence forever. Unless the Americans will recover like after Vietnam, which I think is less likely because it would require them to have a second Reagan, a second Brzeziński and some smart strategy to counter China.