Which country is overall more statist and collectivist: Wales or Scotland?

[Tooting Carmen]

Both of them are undoubtedly more than England is, by some distance too.

[Tooting Carmen]

Anyway, from my perspective, although Wales' economy - whether by default or design - is at least equally state-socialist as is Scotland's, in terms of culture and day-to-day living Scots seem to be more disciplined and nationalistic as a whole than the Welsh, who by comparison tend to be a bit more individualistic and carefree.

[Andullero]

Is there a Scottish equivalent to Welsh liberalism (of the Lloyd George variety)?

[Tooting Carmen]

Is there a Scottish equivalent to Welsh liberalism (of the Lloyd George variety)?

Scotland has produced its fair share of Liberals: Ramsay Macdonald of course, and in much more recent years party leaders Charles Kennedy and Menzies Campbell. As for the SNP, they have always been divided between a classical liberal wing and a social democratic wing, though under Sturgeon in particular the latter has very much become the dominant faction.

[Tooting Carmen]

And in Plaid Cymru's case, unlike the SNP they have always had a unanimous social democratic consensus, but among them they have had significant divisions on social issues: the rural voters tend to be more socially conservative and traditionalist, while the urban voters tend to be more socially liberal or even libertarian, and again the latter has increasingly come to dominate: their current leader Adam Price is a gay man who has openly admitted taking drugs and campaigns for their legalisation.

[Andullero]

Hmmm, it is a hard one I can tell. Perhaps it can be decided on where the national question is strongest?

[Tooting Carmen]

Hmmm, it is a hard one I can tell. Perhaps it can be decided on where the national question is strongest?

Scotland by far then.

[Oliver109]

Scotland, i get the impression that Scotland tends to be stricter when it comes to things like alcohol consumption, for example in Wetherspoons in Scotland you cannot drink before 11AM, i don't tend to drink early myself in pubs but i think when one has arrived in Scotland after an early flight/train from England it is often the pub that one will go to. even the way things like public transport are organised in Scotland just seem much much better, i always found it much better than in Wales and the services are more centralised and efficient. I think in Scotland rules are more vigorously enforced than in Wales even to the point of the correct social graces(i always found the Scots to be more professional when dealing with customers than the Welsh generally), some aspects of the country remind me almost of Germanic countries but still at heart i find it more or less very British.

[Harkonnen]

Well Welsh whiskey died didn't it.

[Tooting Carmen]

Scotland, i get the impression that Scotland tends to be stricter when it comes to things like alcohol consumption, for example in Wetherspoons in Scotland you cannot drink before 11AM, i don't tend to drink early myself in pubs but i think when one has arrived in Scotland after an early flight/train from England it is often the pub that one will go to. even the way things like public transport are organised in Scotland just seem much much better, i always found it much better than in Wales and the services are more centralised and efficient. I think in Scotland rules are more vigorously enforced than in Wales even to the point of the correct social graces(i always found the Scots to be more professional when dealing with customers than the Welsh generally), some aspects of the country remind me almost of Germanic countries but still at heart i find it more or less very British.

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