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    Quote Originally Posted by Dunai View Post
    I see Talibanism living long and strong in the deep Balkans. Just imagine fighting over ancient desert gods in the age when we reached the stars.
    It has nothing to do with religion. Montenegro had biggest percentage of atheists among former Yugoslav Republics.
    Thing with eastern orthodoxy is the following: chuch is closely tied to the state. Thus if you own the church, you own the state, and the opposite.

    For same reason Russian orthodox church was that strongly against Ukrainian one. It's purely about power and politics in orthodoxy.

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    More meaningless separatisms.

    Montenegrin, Serbian and Croatian church should all unite in one church and create the empire of Uberslavia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stearsolina View Post
    It has nothing to do with religion. Montenegro had biggest percentage of atheists among former Yugoslav Republics.
    Thing with eastern orthodoxy is the following: chuch is closely tied to the state. Thus if you own the church, you own the state, and the opposite.

    For same reason Russian orthodox church was that strongly against Ukrainian one. It's purely about power and politics in orthodoxy.
    The Orthodox church is tied to ethnicity, not the state. If it was tied to the state then it's popularity would be that of the state.

    In Romania, the trust in the Church is at 70%, while the trust in the government is at 13%, and in the parliament at 9%. The same is true in most Orthodox countries.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dušan View Post
    You can make museums from all church buildings in Hungary if you want, it is none of my bussiness.
    I would feel sad if Romanians or Russians or Greeks turn their churches in museums.
    But for non-Orthodoxes I dont care.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dušan View Post
    I would feel sad if Romanians or Russians or Greeks turn their churches in museums.
    But for non-Orthodoxes I dont care.
    While I understand your sentiment, I kind of disagree with you here. I think we need more solidarity with all Christians, regardless of denomination and ethnicity. The challenges we face today are way bigger that our internal squabbles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ixulescu View Post
    The Orthodox church is tied to ethnicity, not the state. If it was tied to the state then it's popularity would be that of the state.

    In Romania, the trust in the Church is at 70%, while the trust in the government is at 13%, and in the parliament at 9%. The same is true in most Orthodox countries.
    Not really since Montenegrin church was illegal during Yugoslavia. Besides, number of declared Serbs in Montenegro is much lower than membership of Serbian orthodox Church.
    Many declared Montenegrins are still members of SPC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ixulescu View Post
    The Orthodox church is tied to ethnicity, not the state. If it was tied to the state then it's popularity would be that of the state.

    In Romania, the trust in the Church is at 70%, while the trust in the government is at 13%, and in the parliament at 9%. The same is true in most Orthodox countries.
    It's true though. There is a constant tug of war between parties and politicians in order to gain more support from the church and indirectly get more voters. Without any ties to the church, you're irrelevant as a politician.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stearsolina View Post
    It has nothing to do with religion. Montenegro had biggest percentage of atheists among former Yugoslav Republics.
    Thing with eastern orthodoxy is the following: chuch is closely tied to the state. Thus if you own the church, you own the state, and the opposite.

    For same reason Russian orthodox church was that strongly against Ukrainian one. It's purely about power and politics in orthodoxy.
    Serbian Orthodox Church is the oldest institution in Montenegro. It's established in 1219, and it's much older than state Montenegro https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metrop...d_the_Littoral

    Montenegrin branch of Serbian Orthodoxy since Ottoman time looked on northern Serbian Orthodoxy as spiritual mother.
    For example Petar I Petrović Njegoš is ordained in Sremski Karlovci (Syrmia) in 1784 by Mojsije Putnik https://www.izazov.com/srbija/novi-s...ra-cetinjskog/
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petar_I_Petrović-Njegoš
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mojsije_Putnik

    80-85% of Orthodoxes in Montenegro are followers of Serbian Orthodox Church. Only 15-20% are followers of illegal so called MOC.

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    The church is only tied to state and this state is called the empire of God, amen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Varda View Post
    Serbian Orthodox Church is the oldest institution in Montenegro, it's established in 1219 and it's much older than state Montenegro https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metrop...d_the_Littoral

    Montenegrin branch of Serbian Orthodoxy since Ottoman time looked on northern Serbian Orthodoxy as spiritual mother.
    For example Petar I Petrović Njegoš is ordained in Sremski Karlovci (Syrmia) in 1784 by Mojsije Putnik https://www.izazov.com/srbija/novi-s...ra-cetinjskog/
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petar_I_Petrović-Njegoš
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mojsije_Putnik

    80-85% of Orthodoxes in Montenegro are followers of Serbian Orthodox Church. Only 15-20% are followers of illegal so called MOC.
    Modern Serbian orthodox Church was re-established in 1920, when Montenegro was already annexed by Serbia.
    Thing with orthodox countries is that one can't be fully sovereign without own orthodox Church.

    That is what all of this is about and why Serbian church also denies Macedonian orthodox church.

    However, when it comes to Montenegro it's a funny circus. Fun to watch inter-Serb schism.
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