Iron age Uzbekistan samples on vahaduo

[Dr_Maul]

So these samples basically confirm the idea that the Yaghnobis are the direct descendants of the Sogdians.

Yeah it would seem Yaghnobis are basically pure Sogdians, whereas Pamiris are somekind of scythian mix? Conventional Tajiks seem Sogdian+Turkic. Makes me wonder what is the origin of MNG_TUK001? I always thought that was more of a Sogdian profile, but maybe too little steppe

[Lucas]

It was told already in '50 by Soviet academics.

[Dr_Maul]

Oh I thought IA here is older so you think he could be really Greco_Bactrian?

Maybe but it seems much more complicated than that.. it is not modelling properly at all

Target: UZB_IA_Rabat:L8619
Distance: 2.9189% / 0.02918882 | R2P
54.4 Orcadian
45.6 Iraqi
????

This one isn't too bad it seems
Target: UZB_IA_Rabat:L8619
Distance: 3.6367% / 0.03636665
62.2 ITA_Rome_Late_Antiquity
37.8 UZB_IA_Rabat

I think they have an atypical mix

[Dirdepo]

Target: Dirdepo_scaled
Distance: 2.4182% / 0.02418167
52.8	Baltic_EST_BA
23.6	TUR_Pinarbasi_HG
13.0	UZB_IA_Rabat
10.0	Sarmatian_MDA
0.6	Canary_Islands_Guanche

[Leto]

Yeah it would seem Yaghnobis are basically pure Sogdians, whereas Pamiris are somekind of scythian mix? Conventional Tajiks seem Sogdian+Turkic. Makes me wonder what is the origin of MNG_TUK001? I always thought that was more of a Sogdian profile, but maybe too little steppe

Yeah, though I think there also must be some medieval Persian admixture in the Tajiks. Hard to believe the language would have established itself without any actual human colonization and intermarriage. I would also add that we have too few Tajik samples, for example I'm dying to see some from the Rasht valley (roughly the former Soviet Gharm oblast). Basically east of Dushanbe but west of Badakhshan. That's a very mountainous region and I can assume they do not differ much from the Pamiris in terms of DNA. Maybe only a little bit less Steppe but who knows.

[Leto]

[img]https://i.imgur.com/ae7nHRm.png
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That's a valuable piece of information, thanks. I know that but now we have genetic data, not only linguistic.

[Lucas]

That's a valuable piece of information, thanks. I know that but now we have genetic data, not only linguistic.

Yes interesting that Tajik language is modern phenomenon, and before proto-Yagnobi was main language there.

[Dr_Maul]

Yeah, though I think there also must be some medieval Persian admixture in the Tajiks. Hard to believe the language would have established itself without any actual human colonization and intermarriage. I would also add that we have too few Tajik samples, for example I'm dying to see some from the Rasht valley (roughly the former Soviet Gharm oblast). Basically east of Dushanbe but west of Badakhshan. That's a very mountainous region and I can assume they do not differ much from the Pamiris in terms of DNA. Maybe only a little bit less Steppe but who knows.

I don't think so tbh, the presence of Persian in the region is more or less like that of Arabic, Russian, English, Turkic, etc.. Sometimes, languages just have a certain upper hand and replace smaller local ones.

[Leto]

I don't think so tbh, the presence of Persian in the region is more or less like that of Arabic, Russian, English, Turkic, etc.. Sometimes, languages just have a certain upper hand and replace smaller local ones.

I believe it is generally assumed that there was some medieval Persian immigration to Transoxania.

Contemporary Tajiks are the descendants of ancient Eastern Iranian inhabitants of Central Asia, in particular, the Sogdians and the Bactrians, and possibly other groups, with an admixture of Western Iranian Persians and non-Iranian peoples.[25][26] According to Richard Nelson Frye, a leading historian of Iranian and Central Asian history, the Persian migration to Central Asia may be considered the beginning of the modern Tajik nation, and ethnic Persians, along with some elements of East-Iranian Bactrians and Sogdians, as the main ancestors of modern Tajiks.[27] In later works, Frye expands on the complexity of the historical origins of the Tajiks. In a 1996 publication, Frye explains that many "factors must be taken into account in explaining the evolution of the peoples whose remnants are the Tajiks in Central Asia" and that "the peoples of Central Asia, whether Iranian or Turkic speaking, have one culture, one religion, one set of social values and traditions with only language separating them."[28]

Regarding Tajiks, the Encyclopædia Britannica states:
The Tajiks are the direct descendants of the Iranian peoples whose continuous presence in Central Asia and northern Afghanistan is attested from the middle of the 1st millennium BC. The ancestors of the Tajiks constituted the core of the ancient population of Khwārezm (Khorezm) and Bactria, which formed part of Transoxania (Sogdiana). Over the course of time, the eastern Iranian dialect that was used by the ancient Tajiks eventually gave way to Farsi, a western dialect spoken in Iran and Afghanistan.[29]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tajiks#History

[Albertón]

Nice.