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    Quote Originally Posted by Crn Volk View Post
    Bad. Alot of Cultural Marxism's growth can be traced to Christianity's decline in the West.
    That is more a 20th century thing. It has liberal progressive and revisionist communist + Freudian aspects. Certainly it ripped the shit out of Christianity.

    In the mid 19th century many Western countries (Europe, North and South America) started to become very secular in the form of laicism. They met resistance from moderate secularism liberalism and variations of conservatism.
    Laicism and its more godless forms seems to have won along with its other allies.

    But secularism goes back even further. The ages of secret societies dabbling in occult, esoteric, mysticism, mystery religions, kaballism
    was already wrecking Christian perceptions around 1700 all the way up to 1900 or beyond.
    These people identified as Christians but accepted ancient systems to the mix, sometimes they were deist or godless.

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    Before 1600s, what people relied on in Christianity? short prayers only, they had no Bible, especially for poor people, they had to rely on clerics on all major matters all the times, and the condition of the common people has always been extremely miserable. Has Christianity ever not been in a decline? The real pinnacle of Christianity is seen as a confusion today: both jesuit and lutheranism can be called as the flourishing of religion, they contributed a lot to the human condition in general although they have much differences in the practice of faith. Jesuit is said to practice magic while Lutherans offered vulgate Bibles to all people and rely on gospels and good works, we can refert to these two paradigms of faithfulness, people today have neither qualities, totally walk the path of the misery in cash and corruption. It is also hypocritical to criticize the Jesuit for practicing magic, because Lutheranism also propose a kind of personal vision of communication with Christ:

    The Major Beliefs of Lutheranism and Their Impact on Non-Religious Issues Essay

    The reaction of the public to Luther’s call to action and his proclamations associated with the necessity to follow new religious ideals were interesting for the people because they were close to them regarding the possibilities to orient to the personal beliefs and the personal vision of faith as the communication with God.

    I recommand Paolo Coelho` books, Mr Coehlo is like a new jesuit, people at least need to have some imaginations power from the "worst notorities" by the jesuits.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dragoon View Post
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    Atheist leaning is the wrong word.

    Better would be secular, god believing (in some form), and cultural Christian.
    Both "extremes": atheists and highly religious/faithful are smaller in number.
    Would the term "Deist" or "spiritual but not religious" fit this definition for most Europeans?

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    A little bit good (because introduction of religious freedom, yes religious freedom was not always taken for granted, for example only in the 18th or 17th century with the englightened absolute monarchs, the jews got religious freedom, then you wont probably want to have witch hunts, or something)

    but it gone too far with extreme blasphemy, and satanistic values, yes we live in the age of satan, it is already more and more open, maybe there will be a openly satanic dictatorship in the future
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    Mostly good.
    But of course, christianity is also part of our history and culture, so it's not all positive.
    I think some (if not most) people need religion and christianity is still better than the consumption that has displaced it.
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