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Well, it depends. The majority of positive changes from the West such as science, technology, industry, arts, empires, and military prowess coincided with the Enlightenment era, and you have to admit that the Western Europe was its strongest when it still believed in ethnonationalism not religion.
That's Christian unity for you.
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Morality predates Christianity or any religion. We can say that western society was based off Christian values, however, moral behaviour, cooperation, the golden rule, empathetic behaviour, and family values are foundational principles that came from natural human behaviour. If these principles did not exist in our ancestors then we would not exist today.
While yes, wrongdoing still went on inside tribes, communities, etc. We evolved to understand that the aforementioned wrong behaviour are antithetical to a sucessful society, tribe, or community. Basically Christian values that built western society aren't inherently Christian, but are secular.
On the other hand, Christianity was good when it was strong and made the people slaughter invaders like the Muslim invasions of Medieval Europe, but now Christianity seems to have no effect whether the nations mounts a resistance or not.
Ireland is almost fully Catholic but they are huge cucks for some reason. Same with Spain or Sweden for that matter. Christian to the core but still wholeheartedly supports race-mixing, faggotry, more rapefugees and other ills. On the other hand, Czech Republic is atheist as fuck but still is pretty based country in their own right.
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I think that religion should be respected (in the framework of the law of course) but not really pushed, so if Christianity is on the decline then it's just not proving to be fruitful. As the west has become more educated, the divide between the claims of religion and the emerging truths from science have rendered, step by step, Christianity to be a completely implausible explanation of the world in any meaningful sense.
As we have understood cosmology, evolution and the rest of sciences, the core idea that humans are somehow special, or the idea of a universe creator that is interested in human affairs has become simply untenable. Also, people do not forget where Christianity has stood, historically, on the big societal questions and that light does not paint a rosy picture.
Of course, some catholic cunt on TA would naively argue that panheresy of Protestantism is the fount from which liberalism, individualism and consumerism sprang. Protestantism essentially dissolves the idea of asceticism and spiritual struggle - what the Catholic call 'sanctification' and the Orthodox call 'theosis'. But humans have always had the tendency to obsess over worldly success and power.
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The decline of Christianity is the rise of secularism. So for me, morally it’s bad.
What’s done in darkness will come to light
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It’s good because it will give rise to Islam in Europe.
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I’m surprised so many people here think decline of Christianity is bad. I thought Europeans are atheist-leaning..
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It's objectively bad. There is a correlation between community spirit and religion. In a community where religion is relevant in people's lives, they are more likely to be familiar with their neighbors. They're not strangers on a ship.
Religious conflicts (Catholics versus Protestants, Sunni versus Shiites, etc.) are religious only on the surface. They're political conflicts. For example, the Dutch didn't rebel against Catholic Spain because of Calvinism. They rebelled because they didn't want to pay taxes to foreigners. Calvinism gained followers in the Netherlands more as a way to say, 'Go fuck yourself, foreign tax collector!' than religious zeal.
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pedophilia was common in ancient greece christianity couldn't change this
unlike in secular modern societies, romans didn't praise debauched people this kind of behaviour was seen as effeminate
christianity brought order but many used their religious position to take advantage of the population
those who reject christianity will be even more opposed to Islam just out of ideology and jealousy
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Apricity does not represent the average population
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Atheist leaning is the wrong word.
Better would be secular, god believing (in some form), and cultural Christian.
Both "extremes": atheists and highly religious/faithful are smaller in number.
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Good.
Cultural arguments are all nice and such, but it still is about believing something blindly and that simply doesn't work anymore nowadays.
Do you people really believe christianity? Or do you just compulsively lie to yourself because you "know" it is important to have religion?
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