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Thread: The Daco-Roman Continuity Theory Makes No Sense!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aspirin View Post
    In 10th Hungarians themselves weren't Catholic, this area being under heavy Byzantine influence. This influence came to end in early XIIIth when Constantinople was conquered by Crusaders in 1204.
    No, it wasn't. Hungary was under the influence of the Holy Roman Empire and papacy. Methodius was ordered to be arrested in Hungary at that time IIRC.

    Again, show me a Byzantine church from the 10th century in Hungary or STFU.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CommonSense View Post
    Academic level
    Academic level? You are a troll. There are different types of trolls. The following part of your sentence is the proof of my accusation.
    compared to your far-right twitter meme garbage.
    What is far-right garbage twitter meme in my posts? I quoted three Serb authors.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jovan_Cviji%C4%87
    Jovan Cvijić (Serbian Cyrillic: Јован Цвијић, pronounced [jǒʋan tsʋǐːjitɕ]; 12 October 1865 – 16 January 1927) was a Serbian geographer[2] and ethnologist, president of the Serbian Royal Academy of Sciences and rector of the University of Belgrade. Cvijić is considered the founder of geography in Serbia. He began his scientific career as a geographer and geologist, and continued his activity as a human geographer and sociologist.
    The famous and well known old Deretic, lol.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jovan_I._Dereti%C4%87
    And Stevan Tomovich.
    About the Author
    Stevan Tomovich (stevan_tomovic@yahoo.com) was born in Kraljevo, Serbia, where he attended High School. He received Ph.D. degree in history at Institute for National History, USA, and is employed as expert-associate at the Institute.
    https://www.amazon.com/Hebrew-Origin.../dp/1490917799
    As you can see, I have cited three authors, representing the entire spectrum of Serbian scholars. Maybe some of them are or were far right, i do not know. For sure, apart from Cvijic, the other two are idiots and here i agree that they deserve to be called garbage. But that's just my opinion, in your country they are respected people.
    Please explain your acusses against me as i did, otherwise you should accept that you are a troll.
    And i consider interesting for our discussion the first two pages of the book of Tomovic. Read below:
    The Origin of Serbs
    According to the mainstream history, Serbs, as a part of Slavic nations, occupied and took foreign Balkan lands by force, at the beginning of the 7th century, having come all the way from Ukraine and Asia. Modern historians would say that savage Slavic tribes took the lands of some 'native' Balkan people, like 'Illyrian' Albanians and others. This allegation comes from a single historical source of the Middle Ages: De Administrando Imperio, by emperor Constantine VII Porphyrogenitus (otherwise known as a falsified document among some of the Serbian historians, as in the case of the famous 'Donation of Constantine'). Also, mainstream historians, again quoting the source mentioned above, believe that Serbs got their name from a Latin word servus, meaning slave. Allegedly, the name of Serbs came from the word Servi, plural of servus, in which the letter v became b in Serbian language. Thus, Serbs supposedly means slaves. Moreover, in this medieval document - De Administrando Imperio - it is written that all other names, synonymous with the name Serbs, have the very same meaning - slaves. Namely, it is stated that not only does the name Serbs mean slaves, but also the name Slavs, for all Slavic nations, means the same. Furthermore, an old name for Serbs and Slavs - Sclavi (that's how Greeks called Serbs) - also means slaves, because that word, as they say, came from the Latin word sclavus, which means precisely a slave. As if it weren't enough, it is written that the name of Serbs comes again from another Latin word, too: serbula. Try to guess its meaning. Yes, it also means slaves, or to be more precise, slave shoes. So, however we try to solve the problem of etymology of the Serbian name, its meaning stays the same - slaves - says the aforementioned text of Byzantine emperor from the 10th century.

    Nevertheless, we will further get acquainted with a different interpretation of the origin of Serbs and their name, which is not at all based only upon one historical document.
    Namely, it tells us that Serbs are the native people of Balkan peninsula and other adjacent lands.
    And just as we can trace the history of many peoples back to thousands of years ago, thus it is possible to do the same with the history of Serbs; and as we are able to trace the history of numerous nation groups back to thousands of years ago, thus we are able to do the same with the history of the most numerous European nation - Slavs, to which the Serbs belong. This interpretation of the origin of Serbs is the only one which gives us concrete answers: From whom and from where Serbs originate, who their ancestors were, how they got their name, and the most important thing, why it is important for us to know. Let us see the answers.
    Last edited by Laku; 09-21-2021 at 06:29 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vbnetkhio View Post
    Read this study:
    Cosmopolitanism at the Roman Danubian Frontier, Slavic Migrations, and the Genomic Formation of Modern Balkan Peoples, by the geneticist Iñigo Olalde (doesn't sound like a Serb to me)

    https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1...08.30.458211v1
    Just to correct the last part of your sentence:

    Cosmopolitanism at the Roman Danubian Frontier, Slavic Migrations, and the Genomic Formation of Modern Balkan Peoples
    Iñigo Olalde, Pablo Carrión, Ilija Mikić, Nadin Rohland, Shop Mallick, Iosif Lazaridis, Miomir Korać, Snežana Golubović, Sofija Petković, Nataša Miladinović-Radmilović, Dragana Vulović, Kristin Stewardson, Ann Marie Lawson, Fatma Zalzala, Kim Callan, Željko Tomanović, Dušan Keckarević, Miodrag Grbić, Carles Lalueza-Fox, David Reich

    OK?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Laku View Post
    Also, mainstream historians, again quoting the source mentioned above, believe that Serbs got their name from a Latin word servus, meaning slave. Allegedly, the name of Serbs came from the word Servi, plural of servus, in which the letter v became b in Serbian language.
    What's funny about this is that it seems trollish to point out, but if you have any passing interest in linguistics, it's obvious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carpatz View Post
    What's funny about this is that it seems trollish to point out, but if you have any passing interest in linguistics, it's obvious.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C8%98chei
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shkije

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aspirin View Post
    In 10th Hungarians themselves weren't Catholic, this area being under heavy Byzantine influence. This influence came to end in early XIIIth when Constantinople was conquered by Crusaders in 1204.
    In the 10. century hungarians were not close to byzantine christians, but after the christianization, Hungary was ally of Holy Roman Empire, there were many german priest and knight in Hungary to support the new christian statehood against the last pagan remnants. Later Hungary started many crusades against the east european turkic nomads and against bosnians to catolicize them. Before the Great Schism the two christian political centres like Byzantine Empire and Rome were already existed and they rivalized. Hungary was ally of Rome in this question.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carpatz View Post
    Also we have in Albanian the word shërbej in English serve.
    https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/sh%C3%ABrbej
    And from the root shërbej derive the word shërbëtor in English servant. I have read somewhere that you have a similar word in Romanian language.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Laku View Post
    Also we have in Albanian the word shërbej in English serve.
    https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/sh%C3%ABrbej
    And from the root shërbej derive the word shërbëtor in English servant. I have read somewhere that you have a similar word in Romanian language.
    Yes, servitor is servant, and a servi is to serve

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betacism

    edit: Servitor is a modern borrowing. Şerb/șerbitor would be the more archaic form
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    Quote Originally Posted by Carpatz View Post
    What's funny about this is that it seems trollish to point out, but if you have any passing interest in linguistics, it's obvious.

    We bear our name from Lusatia, in todays eastern Germany.

    There are even today Slavic people, who call themselves Serbja or Serby.
    https://hsb.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serbja
    https://dsb.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serby
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