The Daco-Roman Continuity Theory Makes No Sense!

[Dr_Maul]

Cimmerians didn't live in Pannonia during the Iron Age. And it's impossible to connect this hapologroup to any Turkic tribes because it is non-existent among them.

True, but its not like there is massive sampling there in the first place. And the TMRCA of around 1000 AD seems more relevant with Turkics than any other group, not counting the Bronze age TMRCA in Western Europe / middle east which seems to be Indo European related

[Dušan]

Interesting facts, maybe little off topic.

Did you know that 18 Roman emperors, one fifth of all Roman emperors, were born on the territory of today’s Republic of #Serbia?

This is the largest number of emperors born in some province out of #Italy.

One of them will be remembered as the greatest adversary to Christianity, and the other proclaimed it the official religion.

What they have in common is that they were both born in what is today Serbia.

Men in question are caesar and augustus Galerius, born in #Gamzigrad, town near #Zaječar in east of Serbia, and another ruler, born in #Niš, city in south of Serbia – emperor Constantine I, called Constantine The Great. Besides them, many other emperors were born on the territory of today’s Serbia: Constantius Chlorus, Licinius, Vetranion, Trajan Decius, Aurelian, Probus, Maximillian Hercules, Constantius II, Gratian, Jovian, Hostilian, Maximinus Daia, Constantius III, Claudius II Gothicus, Flavius Valerius Severus and Justinian.

On the territory of Serbia we have imperial city (Sirmium), provincial capitals (Sirmium and Viminacium), imperial residences and villas (Felix Romuliana, Šarkamen, Mediana and Iustiniana Prima), combined with fortified frontier with many cities, legionary and auxiliary forts (Singidunum, Diana, Pontes, Naissus).

These sites represent enormous heritage from antiquity.

All previously mentioned makes Serbia one of the central points in Roman Empire for centuries.

https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/18-ro...-milan-milicic

[Carpatz]

Romanian presence in "Shopluk" just proves we had multiple points of diffusion. Makes sense as the Roman Empire ruled the whole region

[Varda]

About Romanija in eastern Bosnia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romanija

[Laku]

Interesting facts, maybe little off topic.



https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/18-ro...-milan-milicic

It`s about the territory, not the people who live today in that teritory. Many of them were part of the group of Emperors called Illyrian emperors.

[CommonSense]

True, but its not like there is massive sampling there in the first place. And the TMRCA of around 1000 AD seems more relevant with Turkics than any other group, not counting the Bronze age TMRCA in Western Europe / middle east which seems to be Indo European related

Look, it's one of those haplogroups present among Serbs that has a tribal affiliation. N-P189.2 was spread by those originating from tribes of Banjani and Piva. Mortimer's clade is likewise very common and it's point of origin is the Vasojevići tribe. MiloshN's clade of E-V13 is from the Bijelopavlići. There are also other tribes with unique clades such as the Drobnjaci (I-FGC22045), the Kriči (J-Y22059), the Bratonožići (Q-BZ3000), the Kuči (E-BY165837), the Macure (I-Y16434), the Nikšići (I-FT190799), etc. All of those clades have a low TMRCA that dates back to the upper Middle Ages, not because someone from the outside came and settled here, but as a result of a founder effect. Those were plentiful thanks to the mountainous and rugged terrain of present-day Montenegro.

[vbnetkhio]

True, but its not like there is massive sampling there in the first place. And the TMRCA of around 1000 AD seems more relevant with Turkics than any other group, not counting the Bronze age TMRCA in Western Europe / middle east which seems to be Indo European related

As Commonsense said, the carriers of this hg descend from the Banjani tribe, their home region is one of the most mountainous and isolated places the Western Balkans, and they are first mentioned in the 1300s as vlach pastoralists. it doesn't make much sense that medieval Turkics would settle in such a place and adopt such a lifestyle. Given the ancient dna results, this hg most likely came to the Balkans with Scytho-Sarmatians.

[Varda]

Look, it's one of those haplogroups present among Serbs that has a tribal affiliation. N-P189.2 was spread by those originating from tribes of Banjani and Piva. Mortimer's clade is likewise very common and it's point of origin is the Vasojevići tribe. MiloshN's clade of E-V13 is from the Bijelopavlići. There are also other tribes with unique clades such as the Drobnjaci (I-FGC22045), the Kriči (J-Y22059), the Bratonožići (Q-BZ3000), the Kuči (E-BY165837), the Macure (I-Y16434), the Nikšići (I-FT190799), etc. All of those clades have a low TMRCA that dates back to the upper Middle Ages, not because someone from the outside came and settled here, but as a result of a founder effect. Those were plentiful thanks to the mountainous and rugged terrain of present-day Montenegro.

On Bosniak dna project they mentioned y dna of samples from Cernica near Gacko (https://bs.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cernica_(Gacko)) from the late middle age https://bosnjackidnk.com/n2-y6503/
Under the initiative of the Society of Serbian Genealogist "Poreklo" a research endeavor was launched in cooperation with museum of Herzegovina in Trebinje in which are sequenced genomes of mortal remains in the necropolis of stećci in Cernica near Gacko in East Herzegovina. After testing the samples in laboratory of biological university in Belgrade in two male skeletons dated to 14th/15th century haplogroup N-P189.2 was determined, more precisely hers Dinaric mutation N2-Y6503>Y6542>P189.2>Y6467>Y6516>Y7310>Y7313>FT18249 4.

Third male sample from Cernica from the same period is I1-P109>FGC16695>FGC16678>Y3662>A14887>Y11203>FGC2204 6>FGC22045, and it's nobleman Nikola Rašković Drobnjak.

Inscription on the grave of Nikola Rašković Drobnjak in Cernica from where the sample was taken, it's written his name in Cyrillic.

[vbnetkhio]

The haplogroup is found in HUN_Prescythian_IA:IR1 (Cimmerian?) but the TMRCA is much more recent in Balkans (1000 AD) looks like Cuman-Kipchak to me.

There is one more ancient sample:
I11926_I11927_I11928 N-FT352925 https://www.yfull.com/tree/N-FT352925/ 4,000-1,000 ybp Moldova BA

In G25 it's labeled as a Sarmatian.

[CommonSense]

There is one more ancient sample:
I11926_I11927_I11928 N-FT352925 https://www.yfull.com/tree/N-FT352925/ 4,000-1,000 ybp Moldova BA

In G25 it's labeled as a Sarmatian.

Emperor Constantine was said to have settled some Sarmatians in the Balkans. We know a few were present in Viminacium and Timacum thanks to that recently-published paper. It's likely the descendant of one of those men came to be the progenitor of the two mentioned tribes.