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Thread: The Daco-Roman Continuity Theory Makes No Sense!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Varda View Post
    Mirilović clan got that name by their ancestor founder duke Mirilo who lived in 14th century. Mirilo is old Serbian name of Slavic origin - came from Serbian word mir which means peace.
    According to legend older surname/patronym of Mirilovići was Rajković https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rajković
    One branch of Mirilović clan in the late middle age rose to the levels of nobility.
    Descendants of Mirilovići today exist among Serbs, and among Bosniak and Croatians in smaller numbers (Mirilovići who converted to Islam and Catholicism) in the past.
    They exist under the various surnames, original surnames Mirilović/Mirilo preserved mostly some Krajina Serb families
    https://actacroatica.com/en/surname/Mirilovi%C4%87/
    https://actacroatica.com/en/surname/Mirilo/
    This is their coat of arms.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Stearsolina View Post
    None of modern Slavic groups is fully early (Balto)Slav. Belarusians come close but even they have some minor other admix.
    Poles have minor Germanic and southern Russians even some Finnic because they descend from people from further north that settled these lands after Russo-Turkish wars. Ukrainians aren't pure early Slav either.
    Russians from Kursk and Belgorod even have ydna hg N 13.3 and 12.6 pct. respectively.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stearsolina View Post
    None of modern Slavic groups is fully early (Balto)Slav. Belarusians come close but even they have some minor other admix.
    Poles have minor Germanic and southern Russians even some Finnic because they descend from people from further north that settled these lands after Russo-Turkish wars. Ukrainians aren't pure early Slav either.
    Depends on the calculator. This, for example, is according to your own model:

    Code:
    Target: Russian_Southwest
    Distance: 1.5843% / 1.58434279
    96.9	Slavic
    3.1	Turkic
    
    Target: Russian_Smolensk
    Distance: 1.7674% / 1.76739091
    99.1	Slavic
    0.9	Paleo_Balkan_&_Roman
    
    Target: Polish_Silesia
    Distance: 1.9682% / 1.96818463
    90.5	Slavic
    9.1	Paleo_Balkan_&_Roman
    0.4	Germanic
    
    Target: Polish_Podlaskie
    Distance: 2.3433% / 2.34331001
    89.7	Slavic
    10.3	Germanic
    
    Target: Polish_Mazovia
    Distance: 0.5698% / 0.56977598
    98.4	Slavic
    1.6	Paleo_Balkan_&_Roman
    
    Target: Polish_Lower_Silesia
    Distance: 1.4904% / 1.49042182
    83.2	Slavic
    11.2	Germanic
    5.6	Paleo_Balkan_&_Roman
    
    Target: Polish_Kuyavia
    Distance: 0.7065% / 0.70650467
    93.7	Slavic
    6.3	Germanic
    
    Target: Polish_Greater_Poland
    Distance: 0.7928% / 0.79280077
    83.4	Slavic
    11.1	Germanic
    5.5	Paleo_Balkan_&_Roman
    
    Target: Polish_Masuria
    Distance: 0.4439% / 0.44386835
    81.0	Slavic
    19.0	Germanic
    
    Target: Polish_Kielce
    Distance: 0.5920% / 0.59202884
    90.7	Slavic
    5.1	Paleo_Balkan_&_Roman
    4.2	Germanic
    
    Target: Ukrainian
    Distance: 0.3593% / 0.35926479
    98.9	Slavic
    1.1	Paleo_Balkan_&_Roman
    
    Target: Belarusian_Minsk
    Distance: 1.5609% / 1.56090424
    100.0	Slavic

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    ^^^^^that's outdated now. Try this (plus G25 works better for ancients)

    Spoiler!

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    My own results for example:

    Target: Stearsolina_scaled
    Distance: 1.6205% / 0.01620544

    56.6 (Balto-)Slavic
    16.8 Balkan
    13.0 Graeco-Roman
    12.2 Celtic_like
    1.4 Turkic

    Most people with G25 coords will get lower Slavic and Roman and higher Balkan than in those old K13 models.
    I especially find them exeggerating Roman admixture - and Slavic also as compensation (see Dušan case)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stearsolina View Post
    ^^^^^that's outdated now. Try this (plus G25 works better for ancients)

    Spoiler!
    So are the modern averages for G25. Besides, even this model proves a clear Slavic expansion from Belarus and Ukraine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CommonSense View Post
    So are the modern averages for G25. Besides, even this model proves a clear Slavic expansion from Belarus and Ukraine.
    G25 modern averages are bad. Croatian for example has significant Germanic input. But for own personal results should be quite more reliable.
    I agree with you btw.

    Just want to say, early Slavs were quite more northern than Ukrainians, and new samples we will get from Prague-Korchak culture should confirm that.
    Even this Russian Sunghir is more southern than other samples (Ukrainian shifted). But I kept him nevertheless as early Slavs had some range as all other people do.

    Point is, seems core of proto Slavs was rather on Belarusian-Lithuanian cline than Ukrainian.

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    Target: Art23_scaled
    Distance: 1.7771% / 0.01777112
    77.8 (Balto-)Slavic
    13.8 Balkan
    4.4 Graeco-Roman
    3.4 Finnic_like
    0.6 Celtic_like


    Target: Art23'sMother_scaled
    Distance: 1.2151% / 0.01215143
    63.8 (Balto-)Slavic
    15.2 Balkan
    12.6 Graeco-Roman
    5.4 Germanic
    3.0 Turkic

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stearsolina View Post
    G25 modern averages are bad. Croatian for example has significant Germanic input. But for own personal results should be quite more reliable.
    I agree with you btw.

    Just want to say, early Slavs were quite more northern than Ukrainians, and new samples we will get from Prague-Korchak culture should confirm that.
    Even this Russian Sunghir is more southern than other samples (Ukrainian shifted). But I kept him nevertheless as early Slavs had some range as all other people do.

    Point is, seems core of proto Slavs was rather on Belarusian-Lithuanian cline than Ukrainian.
    Your model btw gives even Russians slightly >5% Graeco-Roman, which is obviously nonsense from a historical perspective. What kind of migration wave would have granted them such admix?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CommonSense View Post
    Your model btw gives even Russians slightly >5% Graeco-Roman, which is obviously nonsense from a historical perspective. What kind of migration wave would have granted them such admix?
    For southern Russians Graco-Roman and Celtic should obviously be removed.
    But it means they have some small southern shift compared to early Slavs (plus minor Finnic)

    Maybe Ukrainian admix. Or Cossack. Some Cossack groups have somewhat mixed with Circassians.

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