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    Quote Originally Posted by Leto View Post
    Any Indus Valley sample? They were South Asians after all.
    IRN_Shahr Sokhta BA2 from Southeast Iran is considered as an "indus valley peripheral culture" and is genetically fully south asian, you can try those
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    Quote Originally Posted by Roy View Post
    When did these Hindu people eventually assimilate? Could it not be explained by the usual slow genetic flow?
    Idk, probably into the local "peasant" population during that time, the admixture isn't particularly large, around 0-4% in Central-West Iranians (This is reflected in 23andme as well, which often shows this amount of South Asian too.). Some regions of Iran have higher, especially around the gulf area.

    Going by the study I sent, as well as this one (https://www.cell.com/cell/fulltext/S...74(21)00839-4) which says Kurds didn't receive admixture since bronze age either, I made this model using Kurdish and Iranian Zoroastrian to represent purer Medieval Iranians



    This pretty much matches the study's model as well as what 23andme shows for most Iranians
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Maul View Post
    IRN_Shahr Sokhta BA2 from Southeast Iran is considered as an "indus valley peripheral culture" and is genetically fully south asian, you can try those
    Already use it. But I don't think it's 100% South Indian 'cause Iranians can get quite a bit of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leto View Post
    Already use it. But I don't think it's 100% South Indian 'cause Iranians can get quite a bit of it.
    As far as I know it is pure South Asian, and Iranians don't score more than 5% usually (except for some individuals especially in the south, as well as baloches, east iranians/iranics etc)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Leto View Post
    Already use it. But I don't think it's 100% South Indian 'cause Iranians can get quite a bit of it.
    You can also try Shahr_Sokhta_BA3 and this Shahr_Sokhta_BA2:18728 individual. They are even more AASI-shifted than Shahr_Sokhta_BA2 average:
    Code:
    IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA3,0.033009,-0.081242,-0.180641,0.120157,-0.097557,0.065539,0.0047,0.009461,0.035996,0.026789,-0.002273,0.003747,-0.005649,0.007982,0.003529,0.003182,0.008736,0.001647,0.000126,-0.002001,0.001373,-0.008161,0.000246,-0.001928,-0.008023
    IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2:I8728,0.033009,-0.081242,-0.184789,0.125325,-0.09848,0.06777,0.002585,0.007615,0.03661,0.02606,-0.002273,0.010041,-0.005798,0.006744,0.004479,0.001326,0.008605,0.001267,0.00352,0.001376,0.003743,-0.004946,-0.00037,-0.00253,-0.007305
    Not sure if they are 100% South Indian or not, but they seem to very close to them:

    Distance to: IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA3
    0.03240036 Velamas
    0.03262738 Telugu_GBR
    0.03580884 Tamils_GBR
    0.03724464 Piramalai
    0.03843608 Kurumba
    0.04039557 Yadava
    0.04413825 Maratha
    0.04437636 Dusadh
    0.04712160 Gujarati
    0.04831829 Kol
    0.05170136 Kamboj_o
    0.05185017 Chamar
    0.05185488 Kanjar
    0.05211794 Sakilli
    0.05461040 Dharkar
    0.05654033 Uttar_Pradesh
    0.05782993 Pallan
    0.06227260 Chenchu
    0.06580360 Madiga
    0.06670646 Bengali_Bangladesh
    0.06710143 Iyer
    0.06762068 Gupta
    0.06831007 Brahmin_Tamil_Nadu
    0.06957464 North_Kannadi
    0.07004843 Relli

    Distance to: IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2:I8728
    0.03627293 Telugu_GBR
    0.03648165 Velamas
    0.03898057 Tamils_GBR
    0.03987019 Piramalai
    0.04128609 Kurumba
    0.04340353 Yadava
    0.04628662 Maratha
    0.04666596 Dusadh
    0.05202152 Gujarati
    0.05242801 Sakilli
    0.05261650 Chamar
    0.05301827 Kol
    0.05524242 Kamboj_o
    0.05552058 Kanjar
    0.05778623 Dharkar
    0.05785635 Pallan
    0.05865037 Uttar_Pradesh
    0.06490953 Chenchu
    0.06564323 Madiga
    0.06632634 Gupta
    0.06924493 North_Kannadi
    0.07083407 Bengali_Bangladesh
    0.07127806 Relli
    0.07138741 Hakkipikki
    0.07198471 Mala

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Maul View Post
    Yes thats what I am referring to. and I think it is reflected a little bit, in terms of H and others although most of Indians haplogroup isn't particularly different from the region in the first place (Steppe and Iran neolithic)
    It says Pakistani like which could anything really. Regarding haplotypes , surely south Asians have a unique ydna marker ? I know they are rich in R1a and others but surely it can't be the exact same clades as Iranians And central Asians ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Avicenna View Post
    It says Pakistani like which could anything really. Regarding haplotypes , surely south Asians have a unique ydna marker ? I know they are rich in R1a and others but surely it can't be the exact same clades as Iranians And central Asians ?
    There are many shared clades. But H for example is pure South Asian and is found in 1-3% across Iran and especially in Xinjiang and Uzbekistan which shows definite Gypsy / South Asian admix. Haplogroup L too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joqool View Post
    Btw the Tajik_Badakhshan samples are actually from Gorno-Badakhshan, Tajikistan, not from Badakhshan in Far Northern Afghanistan.
    Do you know who added it? It was added just a week or so ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leto View Post
    Do you know who added it? It was added just a week or so ago.
    Not sure if it was David or Lucas who added it. But the original samples came from the user in Anthrogenica: https://anthrogenica.com/showthread....l=1#post796199

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