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    Quote Originally Posted by Lemminkäinen View Post
    Good analysis. You have probably studied international politics? There is advantages and disadvantages for the Nato membership. For Belgium, Spain and so on the membership is not a big deal. They see it like a gentleman club, or do they wait for a French or British invasion? For Finland it means to be a part of the bigger game between Russia and USA in good and bad.
    Pharmacy I just have always wanted to understand how world works. Not listening too much what people/leaders says (which is the easy way). More like try to notice their real reasons and real motivations. Same with international policy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheMaestro View Post
    What a waste of money.
    Totally. What Finland should do, we should start development of our own drone fleet. All the infrastructure is there including very advanced state of AI-research. No sense spending ridiculous amount of money on few fighter planes, when with the same money you could have thousands of drones, with which our countless swarms of nerds would have fucking field day.

    Drones are modern warfare. Read moar here: https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...ed-the-soldier
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lemminkäinen View Post
    We receive more refugees and asylum seekers. It is much more domestic than foreign policy, because whatever True Finns say will create an opposite reaction of the left wing. As to this question we don't live in a sane country. Politicians want to quarrel and million idiot follow them.

    You are right and seemingly are very well informed about military questions in Finland. Finland buys always not only weapons, but also political values. Buying a French fighter would never give any political continuity. France simply is not a trustworthy country in our eyes. What kind of Russian-French relations we will see in 2050? Not that USA would be, but they want to come "under the skin" of Russians, so USA is more trustworthy. I think that Sweden is a too small vendor to be taken seriously. Arms are today always a big system, everything is connected together and small manufacturers have their limitations.
    Interesting picture. Still no idea how accurate it is.
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    Drones are useless against a hi-tec enemy with modern missiles. Cheap drones work against Taliban and not so rich Armenia. Today defence needs capability to destroy object hundreds kilometers inside enemy area and air defence systems. They don't send like Armenians first men and tanks to be destroyed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheMaestro View Post
    I mean if Russia would really like to take you, it will no matter what you will invest into. On the other hand NATO has a common defending pact, which means you are basically defended by every NATO member, therefore I think investing so much into army is a bit useless. I also think we live in an era, especially in Europe, letalone Scandinavia where you don't really need army spendings.
    It is pretty asinine Finland is not part of NATO. Currently there are not many countries bordering Russia who are not member of NATO. Finland is one of them. Hypothethically, if I was Russian leader and I wanted to expand my empire, with least amount of possibility of fail, I would pick one of the countries who are not member of NATO. And like said, there are not many of those. The reasonings why is bad idea to join NATO given by our politicians and plebs alike have such acid-fume about them that it is very likely a brain rotting magik lazer beam is directed to their domes straight from Kremlin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Harkonnen View Post
    It is pretty asinine Finland is not part of NATO. Currently there are not many countries bordering Russia who are not member of NATO. Finland is one of them. Hypothethically, if I was Russian leader and I wanted to expand my empire, with least amount of possibility of fail, I would pick one of the countries who are not member of NATO. And like said, there are not many of those. The reasonings why is bad idea to join NATO given by our politicians and plebs alike have such acid-fume about them that it is very likely a brain rotting magik lazer beam is directed to their domes straight from Kremlin.
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    Why do you think Sweden has not joined into NATO?

    It is pretty easy to say why Finland has not done that (between 1945 to 1991 that would had been suicide/impossible). But still even after that.

    But Sweden?

    How much you think Finland has influenced on our/Sweden's decisions? Sweden has not wanted to put Finland into too difficult position? Free Finland is good for Sweden as Sweden does not want get Russia as neighbor. There are also rumors that Cold War time Sweden had guarantee of security given by USA. Not Finland. Perhaps Sweden has that even today (without NATO membership).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Finnish Swede View Post
    Interesting picture. Still no idea how accurate it is.
    Corresponds my thoughts of the reality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Finnish Swede View Post
    Interesting picture. Still no idea how accurate it is.
    Corresponds my thoughts of the reality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lemminkäinen View Post
    Drones are useless against a hi-tec enemy with modern missiles. Cheap drones work against Taliban and not so rich Armenia. Today defence needs capability to destroy object hundreds kilometers inside enemy area and air defence systems. They don't send like Armenians first men and tanks to be destroyed.
    Let's say you are right, and in a way you are right that they are unproven against top kek boys. Some experts say they will work just great against top kek, others are doubtful. Let's say doubtful are correct.

    So where are we?

    We are right here right now BUT we are dealing with novel technology that is constantly improving. If I have chance to be part in early phase of novel technology, I will invest in novel industry ESPECIALLY if traditional thinking does not give me high chance of winning.

    In traditional warfare, man against man, those sixty jets are fart in Sahara against Russian Air Force. Our boys would have to perform miracles to top gun the Russian. I guess, miracles are possible, but every sane man understands that odds are not high.

    So in this sort of scenario I would invest in novel ways of thinking about warfare, even if there is small chance that the actual output would be worse, as it would not really change the most likely outcome in anyway. But on the other hand novel ways of thinking can sometimes produce ridiculous winning margins contra traditional thinking.

    One day we could be building drone fighters, and hell even uncle Elon says F-35's have no chance against it. And I know Elon no five star general but some fools think he's a god or something
    https://www.businessinsider.com/elon...20-2?r=US&IR=T

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