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Thread: Are R1b-Z2103 yamnaya ?

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    at least they're not pale skinned savages

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    It came to be associated with Yamnaya in the Late Eneolithic, but if i had to bet i'd say the Z2013 in present-day West Asia came in association with Anatolian languages, and thus predate the formation of Yamnaya by nearly one millennia. R1b-Z2103 was found in Sredny Stog, which most archaeologists associate with archaic PIE speakers (aka PIE before Anatolian, the most basal branch, split). Incidentally, there are archeological records of settlements of Sredny Stog chieftains in the Balkans (see Suvorovo-Novodanilovka culture) and then in Troy. Too much to be a coincidence.

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