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Thread: 'Lowland Scots was the ruin of Scotland'

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    Quote Originally Posted by Albion View Post
    The Kuna somehow have a swastika flag which they claim to be an ancient symbol of theirs too! (scroll down):

    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kuna_Yala
    Obviously the Jocks got their arses kicked by troo Aryan warriors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Osweo View Post
    It wasn't 'Scots' in 'Yore'. They called it 'English', using spellings like 'Inglis' and were quite straightforward about it until the early modern period.
    Ineed, I've seen 'Inglis' before. I only used 'Scots' in the modern sense for convenience. I still doubt that an 'Inglis' speaker from Perth say, would've thought of himself as English anymore than one does today.

    Northumbrian certainly made its way north as a language but there was nothing along the lines of a population replacement. A melding along the borders and probably up to the Forth/Clyde line, but that's about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Allenson View Post
    Ineed, I've seen 'Inglis' before. I only used 'Scots' in the modern sense for convenience. I still doubt that an 'Inglis' speaker from Perth say, would've thought of himself as English anymore than one does today.
    Perth is one thing, Haddington another, and Coldingham quite another again, though!

    Perth is right in Pictland. The other two are solidly in Bernicia, and even have names that are English as hell. One can assume that memory of Northumbria did not disappear overnight in these places, especially given the cults of the royal Saints there whose stories would have kept it alive if nothing else did.

    I suppose that later on, Northumbria was abandoned as an identifier when it became hopeless to hope of resurrection of the Old England, and the new Norman England being so busy flinging raid after raid at the territory of the people there. 'Orphaned' in a way, they had little course else but to side with the Gaelic power, but in doing so they made it their own, anyway. Hehe, put like that, the initial article has some sense, despite the irony of it being written in English, probably BY a Lowlander (if not some Irish traitor!?). Perhaps Scotland would be better looked at as the heir to that Bernician rump than Dal Riada...
    Northumbrian certainly made its way north as a language but there was nothing along the lines of a population replacement. A melding along the borders and probably up to the Forth/Clyde line, but that's about it.
    You could say that for much of England proper, though.

    A Cumbrian is no different in terms of deep ancestry to his neighbour immediately across the Solway.

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    There is no good reason to consider Gaelic as the more 'native' language than Scots or English, both languages came from peoples from overseas at around the same time.

    This is just a silly tcheuchter making a fuss.

    It was the Lowland Scots who achieved the most for Scotland.

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