Great Atheist Bomb Drops!

[catgeorge]

There are illogical things in the Bible if we take it literally. According to the bible God separated lightness(day) from darkness(night) on the first day. On 4th day god created the sun and the moon. Before sun was created how did god separate day from night? On 3th day plants were created, but there was no sun yet. How could plants survive without sunlight?
Book of genesis also describes moon as a source of light, even though it doesn't emit any light, it just reflects sun's light.
In another verse it is written that
Even though some seeds are poisonous. Modern science have shown that even seemingly innocent seeds like wheat are poisonous for people with gluten intolerance. Why did god make some people die of the food he created for their feeding?
Health experts who analyze human diet through an evolutionary lens argue wheat causes problems for many people because humans as a species didn't consume it in large quantities for 99% of our history so we aren't adapted to it. (According to "mainstream science" our genus is 2-3 million years old, but we weren't wheat eaters prior to that either, agriculture/wheat consumption on the other hand is not more than 10k years old)

If earth is only 6k years old - as the bible says - why did god create mastodons, mammoths, glyptodons, eurasian and north american lions, smilodons, Paraceratherium, Eruasian wooly rinoceros and tons of different dinosaur species? Only to have them go extinct a couple of years later after they were created? If these many species didn't go extinct in a couple of years after their creation, then I should be able to find them in written records. Writing already existed in 3,000 BC and earth was created in 4,000 BC according to bible)

There is absolutely nothing illogical in the bible. The bible is poetry, first hand accounts and parables that reflect human nature when it comes to the human soul.

[Loki]

There are illogical things in the Bible if we take it literally. According to the bible God separated lightness(day) from darkness(night) on the first day. On 4th day god created the sun and the moon. Before sun was created how did god separate day from night? On 3th day plants were created, but there was no sun yet. How could plants survive without sunlight?
Book of genesis also describes moon as a source of light, even though it doesn't emit any light, it just reflects sun's light.
In another verse it is written that
Even though some seeds are poisonous. Modern science have shown that even seemingly innocent seeds like wheat are poisonous for people with gluten intolerance. Why did god make some people die of the food he created for their feeding?
Health experts who analyze human diet through an evolutionary lens argue wheat causes problems for many people because humans as a species didn't consume it in large quantities for 99% of our history so we aren't adapted to it. (According to "mainstream science" our genus is 2-3 million years old, but we weren't wheat eaters prior to that either, agriculture/wheat consumption on the other hand is not more than 10k years old)

If earth is only 6k years old - as the bible says - why did god create mastodons, mammoths, glyptodons, eurasian and north american lions, smilodons, Paraceratherium, Eruasian wooly rinoceros and tons of different dinosaur species? Only to have them go extinct a couple of years later after they were created? If these many species didn't go extinct in a couple of years after their creation, then I should be able to find them in written records. Writing already existed in 3,000 BC and earth was created in 4,000 BC according to bible)

You don't know anything about the Bible. Instead of talking nonsense about it and derailing threads, I suggest you actually go read and study it. It might just change your life!

[Creoda]

Debating Christianity vs Atheism has to be the one of the most pointless things in the world.

The agnostic master race watches on with contempt.

[Wanderer]

Debating Christianity vs Atheism has to be the one of the most pointless things in the world.

The agnostic master race watches on with contempt.

Agnostics are just atheists; there is no practical difference. They are not mutually exclusive. An agnostic is someone who "doesn't know" whether God exists, which overlaps with "weak" atheism. A "strong" atheist is someone who claims to know that God does not exist. There are very few "strong" atheists, because this is something they don't actually know, and is not a position that can be defended.

There are many lines of evidence from which it is possible to know that God exists. One of my favorites is consciousness. Supposing it were possible for us to build a man from the physical elements of the world, in much the same way a computer or robot is built, there is still no way make a creation of man actually have conscious experiences. You can have a collection of cells that can walk and talk, but not actually feel anything. It's possible to infer that there is a property of mind in the universe. But what caused that? Our consciousness is not eternal, but came into existence in time. Therefore, there must be a single, uncaused First Cause, which did not begin existing in time because He created time. And that He can create both the mind and body testifies to His supreme and eternal power.

[JamesBond007]

Agnostics are just atheists; there is no practical difference. They are not mutually exclusive. An agnostic is someone who "doesn't know" whether God exists, which overlaps with "weak" atheism. A "strong" atheist is someone who claims to know that God does not exist. There are very few "strong" atheists, because this is something they don't actually know, and is not a position that can be defended.

There are many lines of evidence from which it is possible to know that God exists. One of my favorites is consciousness. Supposing it were possible for us to build a man from the physical elements of the world, in much the same way a computer or robot is built, there is still no way make a creation of man actually have conscious experiences. You can have a collection of cells that can walk and talk, but not actually feel anything. It's possible to infer that there is a property of mind in the universe. But what caused that? Our consciousness is not eternal, but came into existence in time. Therefore, there must be a single, uncaused First Cause, which did not begin existing in time because He created time. And that He can create both the mind and body testifies to His supreme and eternal power.

There is a difference between agnostics and atheists mostly that angostics weak/wimp/pussy fence-sitters compared to atheists.

[Creoda]

There is a difference between agnostics and atheists mostly that angostics weak/wimp/pussy fence-sitters compared to atheists.

No. Agnostics are the only people mature and conscious enough to recognise that the eternal is unknowable, beyond anyone's possible comprehension. Atheists and the Religious are basically two sides of the same coin: believers, people who are arrogant enough to claim with certainty what they don't know, either because they can't handle the spiritual void or they can't handle the idea of not having the answers, usually smug know-it-all's with a superiority complex in the case of atheists. For religious people who claim to have been 'touched by god' in some way then fair enough, that is their experience and it's not for me to doubt (or believe), but otherwise....

[Creoda]

Agnostics are just atheists; there is no practical difference. They are not mutually exclusive. An agnostic is someone who "doesn't know" whether God exists, which overlaps with "weak" atheism. A "strong" atheist is someone who claims to know that God does not exist. There are very few "strong" atheists, because this is something they don't actually know, and is not a position that can be defended.

There are many lines of evidence from which it is possible to know that God exists. One of my favorites is consciousness. Supposing it were possible for us to build a man from the physical elements of the world, in much the same way a computer or robot is built, there is still no way make a creation of man actually have conscious experiences. You can have a collection of cells that can walk and talk, but not actually feel anything. It's possible to infer that there is a property of mind in the universe. But what caused that? Our consciousness is not eternal, but came into existence in time. Therefore, there must be a single, uncaused First Cause, which did not begin existing in time because He created time. And that He can create both the mind and body testifies to His supreme and eternal power.

I am an agnostic deist. I believe in some form of creation, or 'god' if you will, for logical reasons, but beyond that there is nothing to say. And not much to ponder, an exercise in futility.

[Loki]

And how did the human races in your opinion, evolve then?
Evolution is a fact and its well proven; even though we don´t know everything yet (some things we might never find out).

Human races developed by selective inbreeding in isolation, which caused certain genetic characterists (that were already present in the original ancestors of all human groups) selectively came to the fore. In the same way that we now have different breeds of dogs, who look very different today but all came from the same dog ancestors (wolves etc). But they were all canids and were created canids by God. They were never dolphins or snakes or birds.

No, macro Darwinian evolution is not a fact, and has never been observed in science. You should check it out... they've been lying to you.

God created everything, all the different kinds of animals, and humans as the crown of creation. Unfortunately humans sinned and were separated from their original glory they had with God. All this will be restored one day, and spiritually can already be restored when you get born again of the Holy Spirit through the blood of Jesus. Many people can testify of that, including myself.

[Loki]

I am an agnostic deist. I believe in some form of creation, or 'god' if you will, for logical reasons, but beyond that there is nothing to say. And not much to ponder, an exercise in futility.

Well actually God has made himself known to the world, by coming in the form of a human being 2000 years ago. That was the most important event in human history since creation. Even our modern calendar starts from the birth of Jesus (although he was likely born between 4BC and 2BC in reality) -- and label what was before him "BC" (Before Christ). And with the advent of the internet, everyone in the world can now hear and know about Jesus Christ, which is perhaps another reason why Christianity is seeing such an explosive growth in previously unreached areas of Asia.

[Hektor12]

Human races developed by selective inbreeding in isolation, which caused certain genetic characterists (that were already present in the original ancestors of all human groups) selectively came to the fore. In the same way that we now have different breeds of dogs, who look very different today but all came from the same dog ancestors (wolves etc). But they were all canids and were created canids by God. They were never dolphins or snakes or birds.

Whats your explanation for our tailbone?