British Social Attitudes Survey finds that Londoners are LEAST liberal Brits when it comes to sex

[Anglo-Celtic]

It was a representative sample of each part of Britain.

I mean that they should survey *just* White people. What a difference a word makes.

[Oliver109]

Does not surprise me, most liberal probably Newcastle!

[Tooting Carmen]

Though doubtless they'd resent the comparison, I think the dislike-cum-hatred many conservative Westerners have towards Islam in particular, and 'Eastern' cultures more generally, is (a) tribalism and (b) also an example of the horseshoe theory in effect. (One person in this forum who DOES get it is Teutone - he has long realised that his values are more similar to the average Khans of Bethnal Green than to the average Joneses of Hampstead).

[Longbowman]

Though doubtless they'd resent the comparison, I think the dislike-cum-hatred many conservative Westerners have towards Islam in particular, and 'Eastern' cultures more generally, is (a) tribalism and (b) also an example of the horseshoe theory in effect. (One person in this forum who DOES get it is Teutone - he has long realised that his values are more similar to the average Khans of Bethnal Green than to the average Joneses of Hampstead).

Khans out to Kashmir. Joneses out to Cardiff. Make London English again.

You're wrong, btw. There's no 'horseshoe effect' at play here. The reality is that the 'conservatives' you're describing are more accurately 'ethnic nationalists.'

A white ethnic nationalist can very well see (or imagine) that a brown person is also an ethnic nationalist or 'ethnocentric' if you don't like the connotations of 'nationalist,' and can appreciate that, and still know or 'know' it's not in his interests to have another ethnicity competing with him in his own homeland. He would ideally want them to fuck off home and be ethnocentric there, instead. He cannot believe that someone from another ethnicity can be ethnocentric in his own country without disadvantaging his own ethnic group or he wouldn't be an ethnic nationalist, he'd be a civic nationalist, and ethnic nationalists are allergic to civic nationalism, because if they believed it could work then ethnic nationalism becomes gratuitously mean and unpleasant rather than a necessary and inevitable if unfortunate reality for the minorities within a society, who must necessarily be expelled, assimilated or murdered.

There's truth in this imo. These minority groups rarely exist in the best interest of the majority group, especially if they exist in significant concentrations and feel emboldened by perceived weakness or liberalism of the numerically dominant group. When the majority group refuses to forcibly assimilate the foreign ethnocentrics they act as a nation within a nation and when possible, they act according to their own rules, formal or informal. This is why those grooming gangs preyed on white or more accurately 'non-Pakistani' girls, because they don't view out-members as subject to the regulations but also benefits and protections of in-group status and felt enabled to use them as foreigners because a) they weren't forcibly Anglicised as they should have been and b) they perceived great weakness on the part of the dominant (British) nation. This attitude is very visible, especially in certain parts of the country.

People like Teutone are morons because they facilitate the existence of people who share their worldview without considering that that worldview isn't a cooperative one. Double points for when it's not just different ethnic groups but also Islam and Christianity, two one-true-path religions that won't suffer the existence of other religions alongside them. Obviously anyone who takes their beliefs seriously is going to come to blows with coideologues from different backgrounds in the same area. They should do what neocons do and slowly convert people from their in-group (ie, whites) who oppose their ideology (ie, gays, liberals) to believe that the outsiders present a significant threat and need to be combatted. White gay men (like yourself) are a key conversion success story for right-wing groups in the past two decades.

'Oh but we both despise gays, liberalism, etc. Can't we blanda up?' You both despise gays and liberals and such because you pertain to similar but ultimately incompatible demographic backgrounds. Take that away and you have no reason to oppose gays and liberals - unless Teutone converts to Islam or something like that. At best they could prioritise their enemy and then, once the gays are all in concentration camps, start fighting each other, but this wouldn't benefit whites as much as it would Muslims so it won't/can't happen.

TL;DR: they might have a lot in common, but that doesn't mean they're compatible. It's much wiser for a conservative to import a gay trans foreign doctor who will be productive but not self-propogate than a conservative foreign Muslim who will present a long-term demographic issue for the indigenous conservative.

[Universe]

Though doubtless they'd resent the comparison, I think the dislike-cum-hatred many conservative Westerners have towards Islam in particular, and 'Eastern' cultures more generally, is (a) tribalism and (b) also an example of the horseshoe theory in effect. (One person in this forum who DOES get it is Teutone - he has long realised that his values are more similar to the average Khans of Bethnal Green than to the average Joneses of Hampstead).

Islam hate of "Conservative westerners" is a "facade". Racism / racialism is a taboo, so they focus on religion instead. People who say they only care about Christianity and dislike Islam/Muslims wouldn't be okay with their countries being overrun by millions of Christian Gypsies, Sub Saharans, Latinos or Even Eastern Europeans etc. People like Zemour warn people about France turning into a Muslim country, but he and his supporters would still reject mass immigration if all of those African immigrants were Christians.

[Tooting Carmen]

Islam hate of "Conservative westerners" is a "facade". Racism / racialism is a taboo, so they focus on religion instead.

So they claim. In truth, even White and (especially) Black converts to Islam aren't always accepted by those from MENA and South Asian backgrounds.

People who say they only care about Christianity and dislike Islam/Muslims wouldn't be okay with their countries being overrun by millions of Christian Gypsies, Sub Saharans, Latinos or Even Eastern Europeans etc. People like Zemour warn people about France turning into a Muslim country, but he and his supporters would still reject mass immigration if all of those African immigrants were Christians.

Very true.

[Tooting Carmen]

Contrariwise, some on the Left do also recognise that ethnic and religious minorities aren't always a 'natural' constituency of theirs: https://www.spiked-online.com/2022/0...tity-politics/

[Albannach]

Scotland has been a major bastion of leftism for a long time - at least since the 70's. In part because they increasingly like to define themselves by what the English are not.

What a ridiculous statement, I know it may be hard for you to believe this as an Englishman, but not everything is about England or the English, Scotland has always had a large Socialist movement, even going back to pre-1820 and the Radical wars and the Scottish insurrection, which was only just over 100 years after the Union was formed, people forget that Scotland was an independent country up until the 18th century, with our own history, culture and societal problems, much of Scotland's Social liberalism comes from the people historically being dirt poor, and a large number of the inhabitants of Scottish cities being the offspring of disposessed Highlanders and Irish, who were victims of the conservative right and aritocratic land owners, then of course there is that old cunt Thatcher that absolutely decimated Scottish communities.

[Tooting Carmen]

What a ridiculous statement, I know it may be hard for you to believe this as an Englishman, but not everything is about England or the English, Scotland has always had a large Socialist movement, even going back to pre-1820 and the Radical wars and the Scottish insurrection, which was only just over 100 years after the Union was formed, people forget that Scotland was an independent country up until the 18th century, with our own history, culture and societal problems, much of Scotland's Social liberalism comes from the people historically being dirt poor, and a large number of the inhabitants of Scottish cities being the offspring of disposessed Highlanders and Irish, who were victims of the conservative right and aritocratic land owners, then of course there is that old cunt Thatcher that absolutely decimated Scottish communities.

While there is a lot of truth to that, don't forget that in the 50's and even 60's, Scotland was 50%+ Tory in its constituency make-up, and even today there are a good number of prominent Scots in the Tory Party (Michael Gove, Liam Fox etc), and they are now the second-most numerous party in Holyrood after the SNP.

[Longbowman]

What a ridiculous statement, I know it may be hard for you to believe this as an Englishman

Cymro yw e.