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    Default Why are there no Caucasoids/West Eurasians living in a tribal lifestyle in the modern day?

    Why there are still plenty of groups who still live in tribal style in other races like in Amerindians, Negroids, Australoids and Mongoloids?

    For Amerindians, you have Amazonian tribes and some groups in Mexico and Central America, for Negroids/Capoids (although they are very genetically divergent from one another) you have Pygmies, Khoisans, Hadzas and probably a few tribes in West Africa, for Australoids you have some highland tribes of New Guinea, Australian Aboriginals and Negritos such as the Andamanese islanders and Aeta of Philippines, and for Mongoloids, you have Siberians such as Eskimos/Inuits, Chukchis, Nganasans. And then tropical East Asians like the Mentawai, inland tribes in Borneo, Sumatra (Suku Anak Dalam) and Philippines.

    So why are there no Caucasoid tribes unlike other races? By tribal, I mean like hunter gatherers. So I'm not counting groups like Bedouins or some Iranian tribes like Lur or Qashqai who are pastoral. What could be the reasons? Widespread agriculture in West Eurasia? Or the terrain is not fit for that lifestyle?
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    The surviving tribal groups around the World are mostly geographicly isolated from the spreaders of farming and industrial society ,they are in general protected by great seas ,mountains or forests .Europeans had to stop being Hunter gatherers, those who didnt where subjugated by more powerfull and expansionist states like the Roman empire or the Frankish empire or the Russian empire you name it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Son of the Atlantic View Post
    The surviving tribal groups around the World are mostly geographicly isolated from the spreaders of farming and industrial society ,they are in general protected by great seas ,mountains or forests .Europeans had to stop being Hunter gatherers, those who didnt where subjugated by more powerfull and expansionist states like the Roman empire or the Frankish empire or the Russian empire you name it.
    That's make a lot of sense. Is it the same reason why there are also no hunter gatherers or similar tribal lifestyle in West Asia, Near East, North Africa and South Central Asia (e.g. Afghanistan, Tajikistan)? That is not enough geographical isolation from the introduction of agriculture, industrial society and expansionist empires?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joqool View Post
    That's make a lot of sense. Is it the same reason why there are also no hunter gatherers or similar tribal lifestyle in West Asia, Near East, North Africa and South Central Asia (Afghanistan, Tajikistan)? That is not enough geographical isolation from agriculture, industrial society and expansionist empires?
    Yes exactly , that is the reason in my opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Son of the Atlantic View Post
    Yes exactly , that is the reason in my opinion.
    I think it will be interesting to see Caucasoid tribes in modern day and compare it to other races and populations but sadly they don't exist anymore.

    But I guess if there is a global modern civilization collapse in the future due to reasons like climate change, overpopulation, nuclear war, other self destructive and stupid behaviors of humans and natural causes like asteroids, etc. and every technological innovation ends or regresses back, we might a revival of similar lifestyle again I guess among some Whites/Euros who are anarcho-primitivists or tribalists who romanticize pre-industrial lifestyle.
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    Btw were the Guanches also Hunter Gatherers before the arrival of Spaniards to the Canaries?

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    Bump. More thoughts from others please?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joqool View Post
    for Mongoloids, you have Siberians such as Eskimos/Inuits, Chukchis, Nganasans
    Most Nganasans now live in settlements (https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Нганасаны):

    In 1940 - 1960 years, in connection with the implementation of the plan for the transition of a nomadic way of life to a settled way of life, settlements were built to the south of the main places of their former nomadism, on the Dolgan ethnic territory - Ust-Avam, Volochanka, Novaya. Currently, most of the Nganasans are concentrated in these villages. Only about 100 people live semi-settled on the "points" of the hunting and fishing industry in the tundra, mainly in the upper reaches of the Dudypta River.

    On VK, I found one Nganasan family who still lived in a chum and who wore traditional clothes in daily life, but it's less common among Nganasans than Nenetses, because there are few remaining reindeer herders among Nganasans. I think even the family I found lived together with Nenetses.

    A report from 2002 said that reindeer herding had disappeared completely among Nganasans (http://www.reindeer-husbandry.uit.no...ort/russia.pdf):

    The number of people involved in reindeer herding shortens in Russia. Kets, Nganasans, Karels and separate groups of the Russian population (Pomors in Murmanskaya oblast’, Symski old-believers in Krasnoyarski krai, etc.) kept reindeer several decades ago, but have lost reindeer husbandry now. [...]

    The reindeer husbandry on the Taimyr Peninsula has never been large-scale (up to a maximum of 120.000-130.000 domesticated reindeer in the 1960's). Under growing pressure from the increasing wild reindeer population, and in view of social influences the reindeer herding in Taimyr has been receeding. At present, in the Taimyr Autonomous Okrug there are only a few tens of thousands domesticated reindeer left, they are mainly owned by the Nenetz near the western boundary of the Okrug, on the left bank of the Yenissey River. Reindeer husbandry in the central part of Taimyr has dissolved almost completely. A small number of domesticated reindeer has remained in the ownership of the Dolgans. Nganassan reindeer herding has disappeared completely.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Komintasavalta View Post
    Most Nganasans now live in settlements (https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Нганасаны):

    In 1940 - 1960 years, in connection with the implementation of the plan for the transition of a nomadic way of life to a settled way of life, settlements were built to the south of the main places of their former nomadism, on the Dolgan ethnic territory - Ust-Avam, Volochanka, Novaya. Currently, most of the Nganasans are concentrated in these villages. Only about 100 people live semi-settled on the "points" of the hunting and fishing industry in the tundra, mainly in the upper reaches of the Dudypta River.

    On VK, I found one Nganasan family who still lived in a chum and who wore traditional clothes in daily life, but it's less common among Nganasans than Nenetses, because there are few remaining reindeer herders among Nganasans. I think even the family I found lived together with Nenetses.

    A report from 2002 said that reindeer herding had disappeared completely among Nganasans (http://www.reindeer-husbandry.uit.no...ort/russia.pdf):

    The number of people involved in reindeer herding shortens in Russia. Kets, Nganasans, Karels and separate groups of the Russian population (Pomors in Murmanskaya oblast’, Symski old-believers in Krasnoyarski krai, etc.) kept reindeer several decades ago, but have lost reindeer husbandry now. [...]

    The reindeer husbandry on the Taimyr Peninsula has never been large-scale (up to a maximum of 120.000-130.000 domesticated reindeer in the 1960's). Under growing pressure from the increasing wild reindeer population, and in view of social influences the reindeer herding in Taimyr has been receeding. At present, in the Taimyr Autonomous Okrug there are only a few tens of thousands domesticated reindeer left, they are mainly owned by the Nenetz near the western boundary of the Okrug, on the left bank of the Yenissey River. Reindeer husbandry in the central part of Taimyr has dissolved almost completely. A small number of domesticated reindeer has remained in the ownership of the Dolgans. Nganassan reindeer herding has disappeared completely.
    Do you know if Saamis, Komis and VURers used to be hunter gatherers or nomadic reindeer pastoralists?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joqool View Post
    Why there are still plenty of groups who still live in tribal style in other races like in Amerindians, Negroids, Australoids and Mongoloids?

    For Amerindians, you have Amazonian tribes and some groups in Mexico and Central America, for Negroids/Capoids (although they are very genetically divergent from one another) you have Pygmies, Khoisans, Hadzas and probably a few tribes in West Africa, for Australoids you have some highland tribes of New Guinea, Australian Aboriginals and Negritos such as the Andamanese islanders and Aeta of Philippines, and for Mongoloids, you have Siberians such as Eskimos/Inuits, Chukchis, Nganasans. And then tropical East Asians like the Mentawai, inland tribes in Borneo, Sumatra (Suku Anak Dalam) and Philippines.

    So why are there no Caucasoid tribes unlike other races? By tribal, I mean like hunter gatherers. So I'm not counting groups like Bedouins or some Iranian tribes like Lur or Qashqai who are pastoral. What could be the reasons? Widespread agriculture in West Eurasia? Or the terrain is not fit for that lifestyle?
    Because for the same reason that all West Eurasians have ENF/bEU. Pred. West Eurasians are more geographically interconnected together than Mongoloids, Amerinds, SSA, Oceanians. Case example: Spread of Abrahamic traditions, from Northern Abyssinians in 300 AD to Coastal Norwegians 1000 AD, who both share heavy Dzudzuana ancestry. Look at the commons motifs in the artwork of these two peoples despite distance between these two groups, Togas, phonetic alphabet, liber Codex, posture, Med columns, use of vellum etc.
    http://www.ethiopianheritagefund.org...ntext-new-copy
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stockholm_Codex_Aureus
    But before the spread of Christianity, Germanic peoples were very tribal people, as were early Slavs, and Balts were the last European tribal peoples

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