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    https://www.thinkgeoenergy.com/reawa...ion-in-greece/

    In recent years, the interest for geothermal energy in Greece has been revived, with this specific energy source already being used in several greenhouse installations in Northern Greece, while greater interest is expected for the part of electricity generation.

    Earlier this month, researcher Elgo Dimitra Paschalis Dalampakis spoke to Greek publication Energia.gr about the latest developments in geothermal energy in Greece.

    The project of geothermal energy is an old story in our country, as it begins in the mid-1980s when the research of IGME in Milos and Northern Greece began, while it has the privilege to belong among the three European countries that have reservoirs with very high temperatures (over 300 degrees Celsius). It has high enthalpy fields which are in the islands of the Aegean volcanic arc, mainly in Milos and Nisyros and of course the extensive geothermal fields mainly in northern Greece and specifically in Central and Eastern Macedonia and Thrace, but also in the islands of the Eastern Aegean and specifically in Chios and Lesvos with reservoirs that have temperatures up to 90 degrees Celsius.

    One of the most important bets in the 1980s was the exploitation of the geothermal field on Milos, as the EEC then provided large amounts of funding and geothermal energy then seemed like a reliable energy solution for the islands. The geothermal data were impressive, production tests had been carried out, the then estimates for the geothermal power generation capacity were close to 120 MW and in general there was the climate and the anticipation that RES would start to be included in the country’s energy mix.

    When the first 2 MW pilot unit was implemented by PPC, things showed that the project would continue, but on the one hand the technical shortcomings and on the other hand the significant failures in the choice of management of the emitted gases, mainly hydrogen sulfide, created serious environmental problems, which brought about the then justified reaction of the local population. Since then, of course, much has changed in terms of available technologies for the management of geothermal by-products, while very soon our country completes the regulatory framework for geothermal with clear and very strict environmental forecasts.

    “Geothermal energy continues to be a local energy resource that, in the context of the obligations undertaken by our country, does not exceed and if we continue to ignore it, it will never enter the country’s energy mix in terms of electricity generation.” said ELGO researcher DIMITRA Paschalis Dalampakis. According to the researcher, there are three problems observed in our country that hinder the development of geothermal energy: the lack of know-how and culture of greenhouse crops in general in the areas of large geothermal fields of Northern Greece, lack of available areas for rent and lack of essential concerning the final productive actions.

    Nevertheless, in recent years, positive initiatives have been recorded in relation to the use of low temperature geothermal energy for the operation of greenhouse installations. In particular, Mr. Dalambakis emphasizes that in our country “a major problem over time has to do with the final applications, as well as the unavailability of land, as all fields are along the coastal zone from Evros to Strymon and incidentally some of “These fields are in areas of high productivity, so the unavailability of land acts as a strong disincentive”, especially for large business initiatives.

    According to Mr. Dalampakis, Greece is also privileged in the field of shallow geothermal energy, as you can use it at shallow depths, resulting in serious domestic know-how and a plethora of private companies undertaking both the investigation and the installation of heating infrastructure. and cooling using heat pumps in homes, buildings and sports facilities as well as small greenhouses.

    In total there are about 300-350 acres of geothermal greenhouses, where 95% are located in Northern Greece. The main volume of the above projects was implemented only in the last seven years, such as the greenhouse units of the group “Plastics of Thrace” for the production of tomato-cucumber and “Selecta”. From there, small greenhouse units and a series of short-range innovative actions such as drying of agricultural products, heating of asparagus plantations and the cultivation of spirulina are recorded.

    Mr. Dalampakis, of course, notes that there is no aggressive policy of incentives regarding greenhouse crops, estimating that the regions should take the initiative. Today, three of the most important geothermal fields in Northern Greece are leased by municipal authorities and specifically: in Akropotamos of the municipality of Paggaio, the geothermal field of Eratinos in Chrysoupoli and of Aristinos in the Municipality of Alexandroupolis.

    He emphasizes that the municipalities came forward trying to integrate the local population that could not take the risk of an investment in the initiatives for the utilization of geothermal energy. In this sense, there are thoughts from the Municipality of Nestos for the creation of small demonstration and experimental greenhouses and the integration in a dynamic system of annual training of young farmers to acquire the new know-how.

    Mr. Dalampakis concludes that there is interest in leasing areas and exploring deep geothermal systems with intermediate temperatures of 120-150 degrees C and creation of power plants from geothermal, estimating that this will manifest itself even more in the next period with the completion of the regulatory framework.

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    Turks and Italians have been getting Gigawatts out of their volcanoes, Iceland powers itself by them. Meanwhile here, nothing is done, the government is accused of burning forests to install unpredictable wind turbines and geothermal energy is only used for some infamous rural spas that 5 boomers/year visit.
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    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geothe...in_New_Zealand

    Geothermal power in New Zealand is a small but significant part of the energy generation capacity of the country, providing approximately 17% of the country's electricity[1] with installed capacity of over 900MW.[2] New Zealand, like only a small number of other countries worldwide, has numerous geothermal sites that could be developed for exploitation, and also boasts some of the earliest large-scale use of geothermal energy in the world.

    Geothermal energy has been described as New Zealand's most reliable renewable energy source, above wind, solar and even hydroelectricity, due to its lack of dependence on the weather.[3] It has also been described as the currently (2000s and 2010s) most attractive new source of energy for New Zealand, as petrochemical fuel prices rise and easy hydro power sites have been tapped - it has been estimated that another 1000MW of geothermal resource can be used for generating electricity.[2]
    Contents

    1 Geothermal fields
    2 History
    3 Research
    4 Laws and regulations
    5 List of geothermal power stations
    5.1 Under construction
    6 See also
    7 References
    8 Further reading
    9 External links

    Geothermal fields

    The exploration of New Zealand's geothermal fields has been very extensive, and by the 1980s, most fields were considered mapped, with 129 found, of which 14 are in the 70-140 °C range, 7 in the 140-220 °C range and 15 in the >220 °C range. Currently, some potential new geothermal fields are being surveyed that have no surface expression.[4]

    New Zealand's high-temperature geothermal fields are mostly concentrated around the Taupo Volcanic Zone (which also has most of the currently operating generation capacity),[5] in the central North Island, with another major field at Ngawha Springs in Northland. However, more systems (some of them potentially exploitable) are scattered all over the country, from the Hauraki Plains to the Bay of Plenty to numerous hot springs in the South Island, most of them associated with faults and other tectonic features.[4]

    Many applications of geothermal energy in New Zealand reinject the cooled steam / fluid back into the underground fields, to extend or infinitely use the fields as power sources.[3]

    History

    The Wairakei geothermal power plant.

    Geothermal energy use in New Zealand is strongly tied to Wairakei, where the first geothermal plant was opened in 1958. At that time, it was only the second large-scale plant existing worldwide (the first being the Valle del Diavolo 'Devil's Valley' plant in Larderello, Italy opened in 1911).[6] Several new plants and efficiency-enhancing second-stage equipment have been added since, though there is also some loss of steam generation due to the decade-long drawdown. Some plants are therefore capped in steam extraction volumes to allow the fields to regenerate, and a percentage of the steam/water is reinjected.[5][4]

    The Mokai and Rotokawa geothermal plant was the first to come into operation via a resource consent applied for and issued under the Resource Management Act.

    The 5 years up until 2016 saw a number of new power stations completed. Kawarau 90MW, Nga Awa Purua 140MW, Ngatamariki 80MW and Te Mihi 140MW.

    List of geothermal power stations

    Name Location Field Operator Capacity (MW) Annual Generation (average GWh) Commissioned
    Te Ahi O Maui West of Kawerau, Bay of Plenty Kawerau Eastland Generation 28 208 2018
    Kawerau (BoPE) Kawerau, Bay of Plenty Kawerau Bay of Plenty Energy 6.4 35 1989, 1993
    Geothermal Development Limited Kawerau, Bay of Plenty Kawerau Eastland Generation 8.3 70 2008
    Kawerau (NST/TOPP1) Kawerau, Bay of Plenty Kawerau Norske Skog Tasman 25 210 2012
    Kawerau Kawerau, Bay of Plenty Kawerau Mercury 100 800 2008
    Mokai northwest of Taupo Mokai Mercury 112 900 2000
    Nga Awa Purua north of Taupo Rotokawa Mercury 140 1100 2010
    Ngatamariki north of Taupo Ngatamariki Mercury 82 670 2013
    Ngawha near Kaikohe, Northland Ngawha Top Energy 25 78 1998
    Ohaaki between Rotorua and Taupo Ohaaki Contact Energy 70 300 1989
    Poihipi north of Taupo Wairakei Contact Energy 55 350 1997
    Rotokawa north of Taupo Rotokawa Mercury 33 210 1997
    Te Huka north of Taupo Tauhara Contact Energy 23 190 2010
    Te Mihi north of Taupo Wairakei Contact Energy 159 1200 (approx) 2014
    Wairakei north of Taupo Wairakei Contact Energy 161 1310 1958, 2005
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    I have read that leakage is added to a nation's carbon footprint, so it seems, very little escapes the carbon trading schemes.
    Nine out of ten concerns are completely unfounded.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yesno View Post
    I have read that leakage is added to a nation's carbon footprint, so it seems, very little escapes the carbon trading schemes.
    The carbon footprint is small compared to many similar and smaller sized countries, Belgium for example.

    https://www.worldometers.info/co2-em...ns-by-country/

    Not only this, but we still use lignite/coal along with gas. The reason it doesn't happen is stupidity, there has been little interest, and they think that the volcanoes would be more toxic and the springs would lose their touristic value, which is false and barely anyone visits them anyway, only some local older folks in winter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Faklon View Post
    The carbon footprint is small compared to many similar and smaller sized countries, Belgium for example.

    https://www.worldometers.info/co2-em...ns-by-country/

    Not only this, but we still use lignite/coal along with gas. The reason it doesn't happen is stupidity, there has been little interest, and they think that the volcanoes would be more toxic and the springs would lose their touristic value, which is false and barely anyone visits them anyway, only some local older folks in winter.
    Rotorua, a small city built upon a active field here in NZ, has for a century drawn heat through steam from the local field. Around a decade ago, they did limit draw as it has affected a large local tourist attraction with its associated Maori village and geysers. The various hot springs, mud pools etc are still up to temperature. The draw seems to affect the pressure rather than the temperatures hence why Geysers might have been affected. Scientists admit, they can't be 100% sure as geysers can be cyclical. Which makes sense as the total cities draw would be infinitesimal in comparison to two tectonic plates colliding

    Just recently, several houses where evacuated as a new hot mud pool emerged in their back yards.

    On a side note, I had family living there when I was a kid. Outside, they had a steam vent fitted into a small concrete box where they cooked chicken and other meat. My aunt would placed some meat in it in the morning or before going to bed and voila, when we got home or got up in the morning, cooked meat for breakfast, lunches or dinner.
    Nine out of ten concerns are completely unfounded.

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    Not only geothermal but also processing bioenergy through organic waste.

    It is renewable energy that can be monetized. A 50k TPA bioenergy digestion facility can put 210 TJ to a power grid.

    Clean, natural, renewable energy. This occurs in some parts of Europe - despite technology entering maturity very much under utilized due to capital costs.

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    Only nuclear power is the real deal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeno View Post
    Only nuclear power is the real deal.
    In Germany we now banned coal energy production from 2030 onwards and aditionally we got rid of our nuclear power plants.

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    Nuclear energy is obviously a solution as long as waste is recycled and monitored but geothermal energy can even be beyond Greta. It's a shame to just be sitting around.

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