China has won AI battle with U.S., Pentagon's ex-software chief says

[Insuperable]

It is not pointless you are just dumb. Mathematics will still be around when the Parthenon is dust but physics probably won't :

There is more to the world than physics can ever know.

If anyone is dumb it is you. Like a stupid child who yesterday discovered how important math is and is now larping all over.

Yet the history of thought should warn us against concluding that because the scientific theory of the world is the best that has yet been formulated, it is necessarily complete and final. ... as science has supplanted its predecessors, so it may hereafter be superceded by some more perfect hypothesis, perhaps some totally different way of looking at phenomena -- of registering shadows on the screen -- of which we in this generation have no idea... the dreams of magic one day may be the waking realities of science ---Sir James Frazer "The Golden Bough"

Ironically for you, I have never heard of Frazer and as I have just read that Frazer talks about transition from magic to religion to science with mathematics included under science. He is saying that religion replaced magic and that science replaced religion, numerology led to mathematics, astrology led to astronomy, alchemistry led to chemistry. How cringe of you.

If you want truth that does not change tomorrow you find it in math. Truth is what you find at the end of a correct chain of mathematical argument. Since both science and philosophy claim to deal with general truths then math (which is an art and not a science) is superior when dealing with truth.

Math has higher truth and everyone uses math. My daddy is stronger than your daddy.

You sound like an engineer or scientist which means that since you are not a mathematician you don't know mathematics properly.

I am no scientist or mathematician. Just like you.

All branches of science and engineering are important. What would be the purpose of number theory in the real world if it wouldn't have any applications, in this case computer science?

As for your original dumb statement which is dumb on so many levels...East Asians are geared towards both spatial and arithmetic intelligence, true. Both spatial and arithmetical intelligence among other is needed to do either purely physics or purely mathematics or purely engineering albeit in varying levels. Neither physics or engineering is about mastering mathematical symbols. Holee fuck.

[michal3141]

They don't have a high IQ it is not even a standard deviation higher than the British or Dutch or Germans. Most people don't have a high IQ. 120 is not a high IQ let alone 106 or whatnot. What they do have is a lot of people 1.4 billion compared to 201 million whites in America and compared to 197 million in western europe so theoretically when a demographic has a lot of people in the planet they will have more high IQ people around but that does not make them a high IQ people. I would say there are no high IQ race or ethnic group not even ashkenazi Jews unless one is speaking relatively instead of absolutely.

By high IQ I mean relatively high, relative to the global average.
There is no disagreement between us.

[ixulescu]

Hasn't it always? Doesn't the US just take Chinese, Korean, etc, technology and re-brand it?

I can't name one such technology.

The only thing the Chinese are good at is copy Western technology and make it cheaper through economies of scale and cheap labor.

[ixulescu]

China has won AI battle with U.S., Pentagon's ex-software chief says

Oct 11, 2021

LONDON - China has won the artificial intelligence battle with the United States and is heading towards global dominance because of its technological advances, the Pentagon's former software chief told the Financial Times.

Really, like what? what AI technology is China selling to the world?

What the OP dude is probably referring at is China's unprecedented citizen surveillance system. To that I say: NO, thank you.

[JosephK]

I can't name one such technology.

The only thing the Chinese are good at is copy Western technology and make it cheaper through economies of scale and cheap labor.

What do you mean? Is there a US technology company? IBM I suppose. Everything else is East Asian. We just use their products and slap Microsoft or Apple on them and call them American.

[ixulescu]

What do you mean? Is there a US technology company? IBM I suppose. Everything else is East Asian. We just use their products and slap Microsoft or Apple on them and call them American.

Dude, if IBM is your representation of US tech, you're half a century behind.

China does not produce anything of their own, they only assemble products for others, while creating cheaper and illegal copies of the same tech. This is what China is. This is why the US was able to curb Huawei by simply forbidding it to access US tech.



By the way, China has just committed the largest intellectual theft ever. They stole current and in progress ARM mobile chip designs (projects that extend 10 years in the future) and claim as their own. Simply unbelievable, China is pure cow dung:

[JosephK]

Dude, if IBM is your representation of US tech, you're half a century behind.

Well, that was sort-of my point.

China does not produce anything of their own, they only assemble products for others, while creating cheaper and illegal copies of the same tech. This is what China is. This is why the US was able to curb Huawei by simply forbidding it to access US tech.

OK, I wasn't sure about China, but I do know that most of our tech comes from East Asia (Japan and Korea, I imagine, then). My point is just that the US markets things manufactured elsewhere as American, it's the one thing we're 'good' at: marketing.

[Alenka]

Perhaps ,but, that might be [mostly] because of cultural factors such as their language is highly symbolic , which translates over to mastering mathematical symbolics more easily. Math shouldn't be lumped in with science and engineering intelligence because mathematicians view math and do math in a very different manner from scientists and engineers. So, anyway, Terence Tao is a bit overhyped perhaps since Andrew Wiles and Grigori Perelman have solved harder problems e.g. Fermat's last theorem and the Poincare conejcture.

Or rather the other way around.
Perhaps their predisposition of mastering mathematical symbolics translated into the developement of their highly simbolic language.

[Insuperable]

What do you mean? Is there a US technology company? IBM I suppose. Everything else is East Asian. We just use their products and slap Microsoft or Apple on them and call them American.

Can you give me some list of those products?

[Insuperable]

Really, like what? what AI technology is China selling to the world?

What the OP dude is probably referring at is China's unprecedented citizen surveillance system. To that I say: NO, thank you.

Dude, if IBM is your representation of US tech, you're half a century behind.

China does not produce anything of their own, they only assemble products for others, while creating cheaper and illegal copies of the same tech. This is what China is. This is why the US was able to curb Huawei by simply forbidding it to access US tech.

By the way, China has just committed the largest intellectual theft ever. They stole current and in progress ARM mobile chip designs (projects that extend 10 years in the future) and claim as their own. Simply unbelievable, China is pure cow dung:

I don't think that OP is referring to that. It is quite obvious what the OP is referring to because the statement of CIA officer is very explicit. Obviously China produces its own things, wtf, and just like in every big companies there lies some intellectual property. Does China steal more often then others? Definitely.