Finnish-like drift in Polish Kashubians

[Peterski]

Here is another Kashub, who is closest to Estonians when using Eurogenes K15 on GEDmatch:

https://anthrogenica.com/showthread....Polish-results

Eurogenes EUtest V2 K15 4-Ancestors Oracle:

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 28.84
2 North_Sea 27.76
3 Atlantic 16.45
4 Eastern_Euro 15.65
5 West_Med 5.43
6 West_Asian 3.28

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Estonian @ 7.451365
2 South_Polish @ 7.660712
3 Ukrainian @ 7.778255
4 Ukrainian_Lviv @ 7.800802
5 Polish @ 7.891741
6 Finnish @ 10.210291
7 Belorussian @ 11.107287
8 Southwest_Finnish @ 11.271881
9 Russian_Smolensk @ 11.397657
10 Estonian_Polish @ 12.159723
11 Southwest_Russian @ 12.228398
12 Lithuanian @ 12.567585
13 Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 12.739174
14 Hungarian @ 13.239334
15 East_German @ 13.714237
16 East_Finnish @ 13.776028
17 La_Brana-1 @ 14.066832
18 Croatian @ 14.178986
19 Kargopol_Russian @ 16.136461
20 Moldavian @ 16.433775

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Lithuanian +50% Swedish @ 4.986827

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Lithuanian +25% Ukrainian_Lviv +25% West_Norwegian @ 3.254365

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Lithuanian + Lithuanian + Ukrainian_Lviv + West_Norwegian @ 3.254365
2 Estonian + Lithuanian + Swedish + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 3.358232
3 Lithuanian + Lithuanian + Ukrainian + West_Norwegian @ 3.533077
4 Lithuanian + Lithuanian + Swedish + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 3.623232
5 Estonian + Lithuanian + Swedish + Ukrainian @ 3.628350
6 Lithuanian + Lithuanian + Norwegian + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 3.652711
7 Estonian + Lithuanian + Norwegian + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 3.702654
8 Estonian + Lithuanian + Ukrainian_Lviv + West_Norwegian @ 3.726162
9 Lithuanian + Swedish + Ukrainian_Lviv + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 3.748364
10 Lithuanian + Swedish + Ukrainian + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 3.763085
11 Lithuanian + Lithuanian + South_Polish + West_Norwegian @ 3.794914
12 Estonian + Lithuanian + South_Polish + Swedish @ 3.819522
13 Lithuanian + Lithuanian + Swedish + Ukrainian @ 3.846848
14 Lithuanian + Swedish + Ukrainian + Ukrainian @ 3.875186
15 Lithuanian + Polish + Swedish + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 3.879349
16 Lithuanian + Lithuanian + Norwegian + Ukrainian @ 3.900410
17 Lithuanian + South_Polish + Swedish + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 3.915010
18 Hungarian + Lithuanian + Lithuanian + Swedish @ 3.966986
19 Belorussian + Lithuanian + Ukrainian_Lviv + West_Norwegian @ 3.968132
20 Estonian + Lithuanian + Norwegian + Ukrainian @ 3.976274

[Lucas]

Yes it is one person, I sent it to Davidski for G25. I have this person's K36, K15, K47, etc. as well - and seems typical, not different than average Kashubs.

Check K36:

Sample Kashubian1.txt
Amerindian 0
Arabian 0
Armenian 0
Basque 1.57
Central African 0
Central Euro 12.69
East African 0
East Asian 0
East Balkan 4.81
East Central Asian 0
East Central Euro 20.92
East Med 0
Eastern Euro 15.18
Fennoscandian 16.3
French 4.75
Iberian 3.59
Indo-Chinese 0
Italian 1.01
Malayan 0
Near Eastern 0
North African 0
North Atlantic 7.49
North Caucasian 0
North Sea 11.59
Northeast African 0
Oceanian 0
Omotic 0
Pygmy 0
Siberian 0
South Asian 0
South Central Asian 0
South Chinese 0
Volga-Ural 0.1
West African 0
West Caucasian 0
West Med 0

With K36 he is closest to Kashubian average:

With my freshly created fst multiplied sheet (All refs used, no targeting). He is indeed deviating toward north-east here.


Target: Kashub_fst
Distance: 9.9468% / 0.09946787
51.0 PL_Kashubian
20.6 Lithuanian_Zematija
14.4 SV_Gotaland
8.8 Lithuanian_Eastern_Aukstota
4.6 Estonian_NW
0.6 Basques_FR_Basse_Navarre


Target: Kashub_fst
Distance: 10.3435% / 0.10343530 | ADC: 0.25x RC
77.4 PL_Kashubian
11.6 Lithuanian_western_Zematija
11.0 Estonian_NW

Target: Kashub_fst
Distance: 10.5822% / 0.10582245 | ADC: 0.25x
69.8 PL_Kashubian
14.6 PL_Masovia
10.8 Estonian_NW
4.8 Lithuanian_western_Zematija

[Peterski]

With my freshly created fst multiplied sheet (All refs used, no targeting). He is indeed deviating toward north-east here.


Target: Kashub_fst
Distance: 9.9468% / 0.09946787
51.0 PL_Kashubian
20.6 Lithuanian_Zematija
14.4 SV_Gotaland
8.8 Lithuanian_Eastern_Aukstota
4.6 Estonian_NW
0.6 Basques_FR_Basse_Navarre


Target: Kashub_fst
Distance: 10.3435% / 0.10343530 | ADC: 0.25x RC
77.4 PL_Kashubian
11.6 Lithuanian_western_Zematija
11.0 Estonian_NW

Target: Kashub_fst
Distance: 10.5822% / 0.10582245 | ADC: 0.25x
69.8 PL_Kashubian
14.6 PL_Masovia
10.8 Estonian_NW
4.8 Lithuanian_western_Zematija

Can you show PCA with your Polish regions including Kashubian average and this Kashub? To show in which direction and how much he deviates from the Kashub average and Poles in PCA.

BTW check my other interesting (or boring?) thread:

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...o-South-Slavic

[Roy]

It's an intriguing discovery.

[Art23]

I think many Poles are Belarusians in disguise, those Poles having ancestry from NE Polish territories may appear Finnesque. Those "Kashubians" may have grandparents which came from what is now Belarus.

[Roy]

Comparisons of Kashub and Sorb are also interesting:

Distance ratio: ( AC / BC ) ↑ A: Polish_Kashubian B: Sorb_Niederlausitz C: ↴
0.69698704	Finnish
0.74722548	Estonian
0.75582027	Lithuanian_PZ
0.75925982	Finnish_East
0.76115021	Ingrian
0.78447135	Karelian
0.79250288	Lithuanian_VZ
0.80144035	Vepsian
0.80367497	Russian_Krasnoborsky
0.81120925	Russian_Kostroma
0.81745344	Russian_Pinega
0.84011198	Russian_Pinezhsky
0.85931917	Latvian
0.87079548	Russian_Leshukonsky
0.87101485	Russian_Kaluga
0.87856922	Russian_Yaroslavl
0.89034133	Udmurt_o2
0.89545500	Saami_Kola
0.89672953	Komi
0.89865532	Mordva_Erzya
0.90106853	Nordva_Moksha
0.90152275	Udmurt_o3
0.91726186	Lithuanian_SZ
0.91749867	Udmurt_o1
0.92074627	Saami

The other way around:

Distance ratio: ( AC / BC ) ↑ A: Sorb_Niederlausitz B: Polish_Kashubian C: ↴
0.50855442	Slovakian
0.65395180	Ukrainian
0.66897553	Moldovan_o
0.68872931	Croatian
0.69033373	Slovenian
0.71410187	Bosnian
0.71885740	Russian_Belgorod
0.72223792	Hungarian
0.73095592	Czech
0.74586696	Montenegrin
0.75639962	Serbian
0.75897374	Austrian
0.77145706	Moldovan
0.78908827	Romanian
0.80694120	Bulgarian
0.81211748	German_East
0.81738844	Macedonian
0.81954024	Italian_Northeast
0.83275725	German
0.83401824	Gagauz
0.83879025	Swiss_French
0.83940922	Rumelia_East
0.83973244	Greek_Central_Macedonia
0.84161746	Italian_Veneto
0.84322517	Italian_Aosta_Valley

Some more, using other modes:

[Peterski]

I think many Poles are Belarusians in disguise, those Poles having ancestry from NE Polish territories may appear Finnesque. Those "Kashubians" may have grandparents which came from what is now Belarus.

Absolutely not, this sample has confirmed genealogy and all 16 great-great-grandparents were born in Kashubia, which is NW Poland, not NE. I added this sample to Global25, do you think I would add someone without confirmed genealogy?

Also, this Polish_Kashubian samples does not plot at all like Belarusians. Check yourself in Global25 PCAs.

BTW, I also added Sorb_Niederlausitz.

[vbnetkhio]

Yes it is one person, I sent it to Davidski for G25. I have this person's K36, K15, K47, etc. as well - and seems typical, not different than average Kashubs.

Check K36:

Sample Kashubian1.txt
Amerindian 0
Arabian 0
Armenian 0
Basque 1.57
Central African 0
Central Euro 12.69
East African 0
East Asian 0
East Balkan 4.81
East Central Asian 0
East Central Euro 20.92
East Med 0
Eastern Euro 15.18
Fennoscandian 16.3
French 4.75
Iberian 3.59
Indo-Chinese 0
Italian 1.01
Malayan 0
Near Eastern 0
North African 0
North Atlantic 7.49
North Caucasian 0
North Sea 11.59
Northeast African 0
Oceanian 0
Omotic 0
Pygmy 0
Siberian 0
South Asian 0
South Central Asian 0
South Chinese 0
Volga-Ural 0.1
West African 0
West Caucasian 0
West Med 0

With K36 he is closest to Kashubian average:

[1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"
Europe_PL_Pomorskie-Kashubia
0.5723373
(...)

Imputed file for comparison:

Sample Kashubian1_imputed.txt
Amerindian 0
Arabian 0
Armenian 0
Basque 1.57
Central African 0
Central Euro 12.7
East African 0
East Asian 0
East Balkan 4.6
East Central Asian 0
East Central Euro 20.58
East Med 0
Eastern Euro 15.14
Fennoscandian 16.48
French 4.58
Iberian 3.9
Indo-Chinese 0
Italian 1.71
Malayan 0
Near Eastern 0
North African 0
North Atlantic 7.29
North Caucasian 0
North Sea 10.93
Northeast African 0
Oceanian 0
Omotic 0
Pygmy 0
Siberian 0
South Asian 0
South Central Asian 0
South Chinese 0
Volga-Ural 0.53
West African 0
West Caucasian 0
West Med 0

could you post some Kashubian k13 results?

[vbnetkhio]

There's apparently a N1c diversity peak in Northern Poland: (the map on the right)

[Roy]

Ok, I have figured out what you meant Tomenable in that distance ratio. It's about trying to find out the specific drift or admixtures separating two populations.