Whoa! That's really interesting! I guess somethings came out to be wrong

**Sora** · 10-13-2021, 07:56 PM

They're really shocking! These three Balkan Slav averages are totally different than we know

Serbian

Bulgarian

Bosniak

Source: @turkic.ethnogenesis

**RogueState** · 10-13-2021, 08:02 PM

The Bosnian sample seems too Slavic than what we see in general

**Abriekman** · 10-13-2021, 08:04 PM

What exactly is shocking here?

**Sora** · 10-14-2021, 01:59 PM

Originally Posted by Abriekman

What exactly is shocking here?

Bosniaks are thought to be assimilated Illyrians but actually have the most Slav blood in Balkans. And Serbians & Bulgarians are only half Slavic unlike what is thought before

**Peterski** · 10-14-2021, 02:35 PM

Originally Posted by Sora

Bosniaks are thought to be assimilated Illyrians but actually have the most Slav blood in Balkans.

What was used as Pre-Slavic Balkan? Maybe Thracian samples rather than Illyrian samples.

**Abriekman** · 10-14-2021, 04:55 PM

Originally Posted by Sora

Bosniaks are thought to be assimilated Illyrians but actually have the most Slav blood in Balkans. And Serbians & Bulgarians are only half Slavic unlike what is thought before

It was known before. G25 model below makes more sense

Ukrainians - North Slavic proxy
BGR_IA - Thracians
TUR_Kaman-Kalehoyuk_MLBA - proxy for Middle Eastern admixture likely from ancient Anatolians, Armenians and other people living in Roman Empire

Target: Bulgarian
Distance: 1.1218% / 0.01121760
54.2 Ukrainian
23.6 BGR_IA
22.2 TUR_Kaman-Kalehoyuk_MLBA

Target: Serbian
Distance: 0.7758% / 0.00775768
62.4 Ukrainian
28.2 BGR_IA
9.4 TUR_Kaman-Kalehoyuk_MLBA

Target: Bosnian
Distance: 1.0882% / 0.01088226
71.6 Ukrainian
17.2 BGR_IA
11.2 TUR_Kaman-Kalehoyuk_MLBA

It is obvious, that South Slavs aren't fully Native Balkan either Slavs, they are mixture of 2 different admixtures. One is Eastern European-like, second is Mediterranean - Middle Eastern-like. South Slavs, like Bulgarians and Macedonians are much more closer genetically to Sicillians, Jews than to Ukrainians, Belarusians or Poles for example.

**Universe** · 10-14-2021, 05:39 PM

This is not news on anthro / genetic forums. In real life many people don't know these things though.

**rothaer** · 10-14-2021, 06:10 PM

Originally Posted by Sora

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Too high Slavic imo. The calculator is not good. Due to lack of alternatives too much non-Slavic (as Germanic and Celtic f. i.) is forced into Slavic assignment. Or the Slavic references are not applicable. The exact reason can be left open. Use this calculator, the exact sources are visible and can be judged:

https://g25vahaduo.genetics.ovh/Feii...calculator.htm

**rothaer** · 10-14-2021, 06:15 PM

Originally Posted by Tomenable

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What's your opinion on the above linked Feiichy calculator in terms of determining proportion of proto Slavic (on the Balkans)? You can see the source samples.

**Peterski** · 10-14-2021, 06:21 PM

Originally Posted by Abriekman

Ukrainians - North Slavic proxy

Considering that Krakauer Berg had Belarusian-like inhabitants even centuries after the Migration Period - do you still think that Early North Slavs were Ukrainian-like?:

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...o-South-Slavic