Is North Slavic genetics considered boring compared to South Slavic

[Peterski]

Also, if we go by pre-WW2 Polish borders, then it is possible that the Proto-Slavic homeland was located somewhere within the pre-WW2 Poland. Stalin took away ancestral Slavic lands from us... ;(

[Dušan]

Poles with origin from Ukraine, Belarus, Lithuania are no more than 15% of the population of Poland. This figure includes also people with just for example 1/4 or 1/2 ancestry from there, not only 100%.

Most of them came from Ukraine (Belarus was only 2nd in the ranking).

They are not dispersed all throughout the country (except for big cities like Warsaw of course), they mostly stayed where they settled in 1945. There is a comparison of their distribution in 1950 vs. 2012 and it was similar in both sources.

I made a map based on that data:

If it is true, this is really incredible and interesting fact.

The city of Vilnius was considered a historical capital of Lithuania; however, in the early 20th century its population was around 40% Polish, 30% Jewish and 20% Russian and Belarusian, with only about 2–3% self-declared Lithuanians.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Popula...viet_Lithuania

[Peterski]

surely they do. the question is if there's any cultural influence as well

I haven't studied this subject enough to answer.

And South Slavs have some cultural influences from the Paleo-Balkan peoples?

[Voskos]

I haven't studied this subject enough to answer.

And South Slavs have some cultural influences from the Paleo-Balkan peoples?

I suppose they do but the said culture was transmitted to them indirectly through culturally "Romanized" paleobalkanites so it's not that easy to distinguish it.

[Peterski]

I suppose they do but the said culture was transmitted to them indirectly through culturally "Romanized" paleobalkanites so it's not that easy to distinguish it.

I think stronger Non-Slavic cultural influences on Polish culture are more recent, and come from the numerous minorities that inhabited the country until the World Wars.

For example around the turn of the 19th and 20th centuries (before WW1) almost every county in Poland had at least 10% (and often much more) share of ethnically Non-Polish inhabitants.

Below is a map of all counties which had less than 10% of minorities (in other words, all counties where ethnic Poles were between 90%-100% of the population) during the 1800s:

https://i.imgur.com/WOPhZzR.png



Of course the two largest ethnically foreign groups were Germans and Jews, followed by East Slavs in eastern parts of the country (including pre-WW2 Former East Poland, but also easternmost fringes of Poland within current borders, with East Slavic groups such as the Lemkos, etc.).

[Varda]

Dont know how much but there was a Serbian migration to the ukraine, there are even city names that are the same as in Serbia, so there is that admixture, dont know how much

Yes.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Se...ical_province)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavo-Serbia

Except News Serbia and Slavo-Serbia 303 Serbian families from northern Dalmatia in 1771. settled in present day Ukrainian part of Galicia https://www.poreklo.rs/2013/02/14/se...rba-drugi-deo/
303 families in 18th century was roughly 3000 people. Because average nimber of persons by family in 3 Serbian northern Dalmatian villages Žegar, Mokro Polje and Ervenik on Venetian cadastre in 1709. was 9.8

[Peterski]

^^^
I cut off Former Eastern Poland in the map above, but IIRC there was not a single county where Poles were 90%-100% and minorities less than 10% in that whole territory. There were many counties there where Poles were the majority or the most numerous group (plurality), but never over 90%. Remember that Former Eastern Poland had also a lot of Jews apart from Ukrainians, Belarusians, Lithuanians, etc.

BTW there was also a Polish area in Latvia:

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...Latvia-s-Poles

[Sandis]

[Abriekman]

Apparently not, because we have DNA samples of pure Medieval Slavs without Baltic, and a lot of them were Belarusian-like, even in places as far west as Sachsen-Anhalt, where no Balts ever migrated... Those were Slavs without Baltic admixture, living in what is now Sachsen-Anhalt, and they were Belarusian-like.

Some of that samples, that you posted are Belarusian-like, but not all.

Take a look, more than half of the samples are closer to Ukrainians

Distance to: DEU_Krakauer_Berg_MA:KRA011
0.02177898 Belarusian
0.02751423 Ukrainian_Sumy
0.02892573 Ukrainian_Chernihiv
0.02921843 Ukrainian_Rivne
0.02939481 Ukrainian_Zhytomyr
0.03376872 Ukrainian_Dnipro
0.05266615 German_East
0.05617232 Ukrainian_Zakarpattia
0.07235412 German

Distance to: DEU_Krakauer_Berg_MA:KRA010
0.02191576 Ukrainian_Sumy
0.02447118 Belarusian
0.02472806 Ukrainian_Chernihiv
0.02604069 Ukrainian_Rivne
0.02711662 Ukrainian_Zhytomyr
0.02844343 Ukrainian_Dnipro
0.03994251 German_East
0.04297736 Ukrainian_Zakarpattia
0.05964331 German

Distance to: DEU_Krakauer_Berg_MA:KRA008
0.03124030 Ukrainian_Rivne
0.03356525 Ukrainian_Zhytomyr
0.03753285 Ukrainian_Chernihiv
0.03784992 Ukrainian_Dnipro
0.04016991 Belarusian
0.04027816 Ukrainian_Sumy
0.04732274 German_East
0.04797852 Ukrainian_Zakarpattia
0.05833805 German

Distance to: DEU_Krakauer_Berg_MA:KRA007
0.03248723 Belarusian
0.03644456 Ukrainian_Rivne
0.03695378 Ukrainian_Zhytomyr
0.03715044 Ukrainian_Chernihiv
0.03912562 Ukrainian_Sumy
0.04177870 Ukrainian_Dnipro
0.06083328 German_East
0.06349727 Ukrainian_Zakarpattia
0.07827361 German

Distance to: DEU_Krakauer_Berg_MA:KRA006
0.02050375 Ukrainian_Sumy
0.02395979 Ukrainian_Chernihiv
0.02532663 Belarusian
0.02533650 Ukrainian_Rivne
0.02670523 Ukrainian_Zhytomyr
0.02892653 Ukrainian_Dnipro
0.04010425 Ukrainian_Zakarpattia
0.04411699 German_East
0.06394687 German

Distance to: DEU_Krakauer_Berg_MA:KRA005
0.03563733 Ukrainian_Rivne
0.03683808 Ukrainian_Zhytomyr
0.03797761 Ukrainian_Sumy
0.03869555 Belarusian
0.03979222 Ukrainian_Chernihiv
0.04046000 Ukrainian_Dnipro
0.04221243 German_East
0.05183807 Ukrainian_Zakarpattia
0.05845469 German

Distance to: DEU_Krakauer_Berg_MA:KRA004
0.03141556 Belarusian
0.03253947 Ukrainian_Rivne
0.03497938 Ukrainian_Zhytomyr
0.03577175 Ukrainian_Chernihiv
0.03835120 Ukrainian_Sumy
0.03920234 Ukrainian_Dnipro
0.05913037 German_East
0.06144075 Ukrainian_Zakarpattia
0.07449901 German

Distance to: DEU_Krakauer_Berg_MA:KRA003
0.04193173 Ukrainian_Rivne
0.04414972 Ukrainian_Dnipro
0.04425709 Ukrainian_Zhytomyr
0.04659562 Ukrainian_Chernihiv
0.04856610 Belarusian
0.05190568 Ukrainian_Sumy
0.06147728 German_East
0.06378403 Ukrainian_Zakarpattia
0.06899980 German

Distance to: DEU_Krakauer_Berg_MA:KRA002
0.02546089 Ukrainian_Rivne
0.02658528 Ukrainian_Zhytomyr
0.02709633 Ukrainian_Dnipro
0.02926608 Ukrainian_Chernihiv
0.03030811 Ukrainian_Sumy
0.03415729 Belarusian
0.03804053 Ukrainian_Zakarpattia
0.03869115 German_East
0.05149435 German

Distance to: DEU_Krakauer_Berg_MA:KRA001
0.02771161 Ukrainian_Rivne
0.03293984 Ukrainian_Chernihiv
0.03353033 Ukrainian_Zhytomyr
0.03385388 Ukrainian_Dnipro
0.03460398 Belarusian
0.03769994 Ukrainian_Sumy
0.05361483 Ukrainian_Zakarpattia
0.05559845 German_East
0.06843613 German

[Dušan]

I mean, Lithuanians were a fucking 3% in Vilnius, were completly on Hitler nazi side in WW2, steal that city from Poles with help of communists, and then cry to this day how they were opressed in USSR.

What a hypocrites.