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Thread: Is North Slavic genetics considered boring compared to South Slavic

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sandis View Post
    As i read, core of this culture were Dacians, Sarmatians, Goths and other tribes who lived near the Black Sea. When i suggested that Southern Ukrainians have genetic admixture from Goths, Sarmatians, Scythians, our genetic experts said that they didn't left much traces in Ukraine and Southern Ukrainians are almost purely Slavic.
    There is nothing to suggest that the slavs were originally some homogeneous group. It is possible that, for example, sarmatians made up part of the original slavic population. The Slavic word for god (bog) is even from Scythian.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vega7 View Post

    These discussions are always plagued by people with their own agendas.
    Yeah, sometimes agendas makes a bit of noise here.
    1000 AD really is a bit late, this is after a lot of mixing took place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vega7 View Post
    There is nothing to suggest that the slavs were originally some homogeneous group. It is possible that, for example, sarmatians made up part of the original slavic population. The Slavic word for god (bog) is even from Scythian.
    Wrong. Autosomal and Y-DNA tests point to the contrary. Since you mentioned Sarmatians, you should know that R1a-Z93 is very rare among Slavs. The European steppe people such as the Sarmatians got assimilated by invading Turkic tribes, who were culturally closer to them than Slavs were.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CommonSense View Post
    Wrong. Autosomal and Y-DNA tests point to the contrary. Since you mentioned Sarmatians, you should know that R1a-Z93 is very rare among Slavs. The European steppe people such as the Sarmatians got assimilated by invading Turkic tribes, who were culturally closer to them than Slavs were.
    Sarmatians and their mixed groups like Alans have presence deep in the Celtic territories in France, Ireland and Wales. Once upon a time there was a cline extending from India-Iranic part to Northern parts of Europe. Those who left behind probably got assimilated in Turkic Khanetes and Ottoman and Seljugs

    We are seated at a round table, a standard feature in Ossetian households and a symbol of friendship that has its links with Camelot and King Arthur, whose story of the sword Excalibur was recently traced back to an Ossetian legend. According to Scott Littleton and Linda A. Malcor, the legend was brought to England by the Alani, who were also one of the many Caucasian people to revere the pre-Christian St George as the god of the mountains and patron of all men.
    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/the-...ction-1.346636
    Yfull [B]ID: YF83218 admix -> https://i.ibb.co/NjwQTz6/myherit1.png
    G25 Distance: 1.0778%
    86.2 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2
    5.2 ITA_Sardinia_C_o:I15940 1.4 ITA_Daunian
    3.6 PAK_Saidu_Sharif_H
    3.6 VK2020_SWE_Gotland_VA:VK464

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    I established ancient Sarmatian cluster, calculated average coordinates and compared to modern populations.
    Some Tajik subgroups are the closest, then comes Volga Tatars, Komi, Besermyans. Northern Russians are closer than Southern Russians, and Ukrainians are a bit closer than Southern Russians.
    I need also Scythian, Gothic and other clusters.
    And i will look for other methods to compare Sarmatians, because higher similarity with Northern populations is partly due to common ANE and Steppe ancestry.
    Last edited by Sandis; 10-20-2021 at 08:12 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CommonSense View Post
    The European steppe people such as the Sarmatians got assimilated by invading Turkic tribes, who were culturally closer to them than Slavs were.
    Why do you always think one-sided? Maybe its the other way around? Huns conquered Hungary with Turkic language and culture but now Hungary appears with an Ugric language and Slavo-Germanic culture.

    I expect at least a curiosity about dominant hoplogroups in Turkic peoples. It shows low amount of east eurasian y-dna in every age of Turkic peoples. And you can find western y-dna like R1 and J2 everywhere, even in northern China.

    Maybe Sarmatians assimilated Turks who knows??

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    Distance to: Vessna_scaled
    0.03186056 DEU_Krakauer_Berg_MA:KRA004
    0.03215212 DEU_Krakauer_Berg_MA:KRA006
    0.03231717 DEU_Krakauer_Berg_MA:KRA002
    0.03263850 DEU_Krakauer_Berg_MA:KRA011
    0.03402202 DEU_Krakauer_Berg_MA:KRA010
    0.03535573 DEU_Krakauer_Berg_MA:KRA001
    0.04048435 DEU_Krakauer_Berg_MA:KRA007
    0.04097618 DEU_Krakauer_Berg_MA:KRA008
    0.04321948 DEU_Krakauer_Berg_MA:KRA005
    0.04572371 DEU_Krakauer_Berg_MA:KRA003

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    Target: Beowulf_Scaled
    Distance: 0.0209% / 0.02094482
    77.8 Iberian
    22.2 DEU_Krakauer_Berg_MA


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    Quote Originally Posted by Sandis View Post
    I found sample from Viking Age Gotland, whose nearest results are Belarusians:

    That’s correct. Gotland Slavic Vikings are my closest Viking age matches.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vessna View Post
    Distance to: Vessna_scaled
    0.03186056 DEU_Krakauer_Berg_MA:KRA004
    0.03215212 DEU_Krakauer_Berg_MA:KRA006
    0.03231717 DEU_Krakauer_Berg_MA:KRA002
    0.03263850 DEU_Krakauer_Berg_MA:KRA011
    0.03402202 DEU_Krakauer_Berg_MA:KRA010
    0.03535573 DEU_Krakauer_Berg_MA:KRA001
    0.04048435 DEU_Krakauer_Berg_MA:KRA007
    0.04097618 DEU_Krakauer_Berg_MA:KRA008
    0.04321948 DEU_Krakauer_Berg_MA:KRA005
    0.04572371 DEU_Krakauer_Berg_MA:KRA003
    Maybe also check the distances to these two assumed early Slavs from Pohansko, Moravia, as they are somewhat Baltic shifted:

    Moravia_POH13,0.127482,0.132019,0.083721,0.078489, 0.050471,0.026495,0.00517,0.018922,0.004295,-0.028429,-0.004384,-0.006744,0.017988,0.043076,-0.008143,-0.011668,0.005346,0.000507,0.004022,0.012256,-0.012228,-0.008903,0.01368,-0.013496,-0.002395
    Moravia_POH28,0.141141,0.136081,0.087492,0.081719, 0.047086,0.027052,0.019976,0.023999,0.010635,-0.01385,-0.001299,-0.014537,0.027502,0.03647,-0.015065,-0.007425,-0.014473,-0.005954,-0.005531,0,-0.007237,-0.004204,0.000616,-0.00964,-0.002275
    Target: rothaer_scaled
    Distance: 1.0091% / 0.01009085

    39.8 (Balto-)Slavic
    39.0 Germanic
    19.2 Celtic-like
    1.8 Graeco-Roman
    0.2 Finnic-like

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