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Thread: Péter Márki-Zay will be the opponent of Orbán in the 2022 parliamentary election

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    Anybody questioning the legitimacy of Nordic European public media, while all independent studies and charts show how they have some of the most objective and impartial news coverage public media in the world, it's simply laughable. It just shows how little someone knows about journalistic principles. I can only dream to have similar, reliable public media in Hungary too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dunai View Post
    Anybody questioning the legitimacy of Nordic European public media, while all independent studies and charts show how they have some of the most objective and impartial news coverage public media in the world, it's simply laughable. It just shows how little someone knows about journalistic principles. I can only dream to have similar, reliable public media in Hungary too.
    Would nordic media be allowed to announce the differences between white and immigrant crime rate? Or would it even be possible to discuss it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Finnish Swede View Post
    He looks pretty dark. That still will not disturb you or Hungarians (as you do not either like gypsies or muslims)?

    Would you say ...
    * his skin tone is IV?
    * he has black hair?
    * he has brown eyes?
    The conflict between hungarians and gypsies is not because gypsies are dark skinned. So your question doesn't make sense. He has similar pigmentation to Viktor Orbán.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dunai View Post
    Anybody questioning the legitimacy of Nordic European public media, while all independent studies and charts show how they have some of the most objective and impartial news coverage public media in the world, it's simply laughable. It just shows how little someone knows about journalistic principles. I can only dream to have similar, reliable public media in Hungary too.
    There is case in history then YLE's superior of journalists had tried to influence journalist(s)? works ... not even fully stop something but just a bit limit how much she/they? would write ex. PM's one matter (I will not go to details). This become huge scandal and ended to fire of that leader of YLE. So everything is (yes) possible as we are talking about humans now, but that also showed that system will work pretty well in Finland. And journalists position is strong. And they know it (they can use this if needed). Especially those who works in YLE.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Universe View Post
    The conflict between hungarians and gypsies is not because gypsies are dark skinned. So your question doesn't make sense. He has similar pigmentation to Viktor Orbán.
    Finishsweeedeee is a covert racist .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Universe View Post
    Would nordic media be allowed to announce the differences between white and immigrant crime rate? Or would it even be possible to discuss it?
    What relevancy such a statistic have to everyday life? This is just part of the Right-wing's culture war agenda, in which they want to stir animosity against people of foreign background. Generalizing negative stereotypes to certain groups of people is not newsworthy, moreover it only serves a Right-wing, fearmongering agenda. No objective news media would ever play part in such fearmongering.

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    Nope. I just think this can lead to long boring discussion.
    Facts are not boring, arguing with personal feelings is boring, because it has nothing to do with reality.

    And what numbers & facts? I opposite listed some issues which should be checked and commented from media supplier. I can do that via YLE.
    Just post the complete finnish media in numbers like i did and post sources too. Post everything including all TV channels, newpapers, political youtube channels etc. Only the public media doesn't represent the real media forces, because there are tons of other media platforms which can reach the peoples in the case of politics.

    Telling that to country which still uses Swastikas...
    What is this country? In Hungary using nazi symbols is a serious crime. Hungary (along with Germany and Austria) has the most serious laws to punish neonazis in the whole Europe.

    The problem is that I might not much trust information you can dig/get about Hungary. Just as it is ''corrupted'' country. No matter how common/public that information might be. Yes, this might be the biggest issue (now beforehand). I have seen enough that things looks well in papers but suck in reality. Russians are expert on this. Again coming from culture.
    Ironic but the post commie russian culture is much closer to swedish/finnish radical leftist ideology which rule your country.

    The point is that they write as critical & honest ways as possible.
    According to you.

    Nope. Give your best media and we will compare that to YLE.
    The political informations are not from only one media, but the situation of free press is based on everything what is connecting to the politics: newspapers, youtube channels, tv channels, radio etc.

    LOL. Honestly Finns either cared very little of Hungary or Hungarians. General opinion was neural to slightly positive (via distant language connection). But as Orban (part of his political game with EU) said those accusations against Finland ... people pissed off here. So behalf of them I take/accept your challenger. Give your best shot.
    I think you don't rembember how was this situation, because firstly the finnish politicians have intervened in the hungarian domestic policy. What do finnish politicians have to do with the hungarian domestic policy?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dunai View Post
    What relevancy such a statistic have to everyday life? T No objective news media would ever play part in such fearmongering.
    It is relevant because it something that matters and it interests people
    his is just part of the Right-wing's culture war agenda, Generalizing negative stereotypes to certain groups of people is not newsworthy, moreover it only serves a Right-wing, fearmongering agenda.
    So you want to hide the facts? Sounds like censorship and propaganda.

    And "creating negative stereotypes" is not an argument, because the left and liberals do that. According to them everything bad is fault of white people, if whites are wealthy it is because he took advantage of poor browns and blacks. If colored people are poor it is because evil white people created a racist system and white people keep them down. So if right wing people create negative stereotypes that makes them even with the other side.

    Do you also support banning discussion of climate change because "it's fear mongering"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dunai View Post
    What relevancy such a statistic have to everyday life? This is just part of the Right-wing's culture war agenda, in which they want to stir animosity against people of foreign background. Generalizing negative stereotypes to certain groups of people is not newsworthy, moreover it only serves a Right-wing, fearmongering agenda. No objective news media would ever play part in such fearmongering.
    Nice to see that now you are not hiding anymore your totalitarian antidemocratic ideas and you glorify censorship again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Universe View Post
    The conflict between hungarians and gypsies is not because gypsies are dark skinned. So your question doesn't make sense. He has similar pigmentation to Viktor Orbán.
    Here in North it is not either (originally anyway). But as people have evidenced that now last 300 years (gypsies) ... and local people have been clearly lighter, those two matters just have someway joined together in spoken language or people's mind. Plus last 30 - 40 years uncontrolled immigration has not helped either.

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