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    Quote Originally Posted by Harkonnen View Post
    You seem put high emphasis on personal failings when evaluating politicians.
    And not only politicians...

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    I now imagine some guy whose political decisions made life of millions miserable, but lived life a saint-monk -- so just amazing dude really.
    Not really. But if one desires to get into position to control us/others, be a leader, be a model ... earning a lot via those, then we should be able to ask bit more. Do not we?

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    Nothing horrible happend 73.
    The most shameful moment in history of Finland (after War-responsibility trials in Finland).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Finnish Swede View Post

    Not really. But if one desires to get into position to control us/others, be a leader, be a model ... earning a lot via those, then we should be able to ask bit more. Do not we?
    Well ideally yes, should be strive to keep it together, but we don't live in perfect world, and nobody's perfect. Bottom line is this: UKK is universally loved and worshipped, from vagabonds to kings and and queens, from commies to beatniks. From the thinking man to drinking man, from stoics and dreamers all the way to wimminz. Especially the wimminz. On the other hand nobody gives 2 ducks about boringass Sahtivaari eventho he probably couldn't even find it under tubs of lard.




    The most shameful moment in history of Finland (after War-responsibility trials in Finland).
    Stop nonsense.

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    [QUOTE=Harkonnen;7330062]Well ideally yes, should be strive to keep it together, but we don't live in perfect world, and nobody's perfect.

    Oh, I agree ...


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    You are butthurt because UKK is opposite of Greta. Greta really wanted to be Jedi Master BUT was denied. Year 1973, UKK didn't want to be President, he had seen enuff. Literally everybody got on their hands and feet and begged UKK to continue. UKK said fine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dunai View Post
    It is super clear you are getting your ideology from your usual suspects from Right-wing YouTube, since everything you just said is based on their conspiracy theory of a Neo-Marxist takeover of the academia.
    I've been part of the academia in the US for 20 years. I've watched the take-over of the academia by the extreme left hand first hand. I don't need a clueless Hungarian to tell me what I see with my own two eyes.

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    First of all Neo-Marxist tradition is not the one with which the Right is painting as this all empowering boogieman of our times, but it is strictly a reformist, 20th century school of economic thought. Identity politics on the other hand grew out of Second Wave Feminism in the late 20th century and was also quickly adopted by LGBT and anti-colonial, post-racial collectives later on and really caught on with 21st century Progressivism (Liberals, Social-Democrats). Marx in his original works barely even touched the subject of identity politics, but he mostly focused on class relations.
    You have no idea what you're talking about. Marx is the originator of the "critical theory" where any social issue has to be interpreted as a conflict between oppressors and oppressed, be it in the economics/wealth realm (class conflict), or racial, gender, sexual leaning, cultural etc spaces. Marx encouraged from the very beginning such criticism to cover all social aspects. He also encouraged a revolutionary ethos, in other words, morally motivated political violence - hence the pile of millions of murders in the name of marxism growing ever since.

    There are other political and cultural currents that merged into marxism, like post-modernism, but for all intents and purposes, these distinctions are irrelevant. It's like arguing which extreme right groups are fascist or nazist - who the fuck cares? This is just a poor diversion attempt. All current extreme left positions can be safely labeled as neo-marxist, regardless of how vehemently some dispute that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ixulescu View Post
    I've been part of the academia in the US for 20 years. I've watched the take-over of the academia by the extreme left hand first hand. I don't need a clueless Hungarian to tell me what I see with my own two eyes.



    You have no idea what you're talking about. Marx is the originator of the "critical theory" where any social issue has to be interpreted as a conflict between oppressors and oppressed, be it in the economics/wealth realm (class conflict), or racial, gender, sexual leaning, cultural etc spaces. Marx encouraged from the very beginning such criticism to cover all social aspects. He also encouraged a revolutionary ethos, in other words, morally motivated political violence - hence the pile of millions of murders in the name of marxism growing ever since.

    There are other political and cultural currents that merged into marxism, like post-modernism, but for all intents and purposes, these distinctions are irrelevant. It's like arguing which extreme right groups are fascist or nazist - who the fuck cares? This is just a poor diversion attempt. All current extreme left positions can be safely labeled as neo-marxist, regardless of how vehemently some dispute that.
    Part of academia my ass, you still spreading Fascist conspiracy theories about Marxists running amok in universities, just like they did in the Nazi era (some things never change). Such pathetic ideas are spread only by people who never touched the classrooms of academia. If you truly would have frequented any academia in your life you would have noticed that Liberal ideology is the dominant among professors (in economics and history departments Conservative ideas), I have never ever met a self-described Marxist or even Socialist university professor (I know they exist, but rather rare), and I have two degrees, plus frequented plenty symposiums. The only academia you know is what your Fox News-like anchors told you about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dunai View Post
    Part of academia my ass, you still spreading Fascist conspiracy theories about Marxists running amok in universities, just like they did in the Nazi era (some things never change). Such pathetic ideas are spread only by people who never touched the classrooms of academia. If you truly would have frequented any academia in your life you would have noticed that Liberal ideology is the dominant among professors (in economics and history departments Conservative ideas), I have never ever met a self-described Marxist or even Socialist university professor (I know they exist, but rather rare), and I have two degrees, plus frequented plenty symposiums. The only academia you know is what your Fox News-like anchors told you about.
    Maybe because you don't live in USA unlike ixulescu? And pls don't use the liberal word, you are not liberal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dunai View Post
    Part of academia my ass, you still spreading Fascist conspiracy theories about Marxists running amok in universities, just like they did in the Nazi era (some things never change). Such pathetic ideas are spread only by people who never touched the classrooms of academia. If you truly would have frequented any academia in your life you would have noticed that Liberal ideology is the dominant among professors (in economics and history departments Conservative ideas), I have never ever met a self-described Marxist or even Socialist university professor (I know they exist, but rather rare), and I have two degrees, plus frequented plenty symposiums. The only academia you know is what your Fox News-like anchors told you about.
    Even extreme left publications like The Atlantic admit that denials of the Marxist assault on institutions (particularly in education and justice) is not an efficient tactic any longer - such a denial of every day reality is insulting to the general public and translates into losses in elections, like the recent Virginia's governor race:

    https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/ar...ocrats/620595/

    https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/ar...cation/620596/

    another article on the same subject in the left leaning Washington Post:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...l-race-theory/

    a quote from the last article:

    "The left’s CRT denial is intellectually dishonest. Just because grade-school students are not studying academic treatises on critical race theory does not mean it is not being taught in schools. Most of these students are also not reading Karl Marx, but if they were being instructed by teachers trained in Marxist thought to see everything through the prism of class struggle, they would be learning Marxism. Well, today children are being instructed by teachers trained in CRT to see everything through the prism of race; to believe that the United States is a systemically racist country; and to believe that society is divided into two classes — oppressors and oppressed — and that which you are is determined by the color of your skin. That is critical race theory.

    Democrats are gaslighting American parents — telling them not to believe what they can see with their own eyes. Before the pandemic this might have worked. Most parents didn’t know firsthand what their children were being taught. But during last year’s lockdowns that changed. Millions of parents were stuck working from home while their kids were attending school online — which allowed parents to see for the first time what their kids were learning in the classroom. Many did not like what they saw. Nor did they like being told that the promotion of CRT is a figment of their imaginations, when in Virginia, it is right on the Department of Education’s website for all to see. So, they rose up to demand change."

    Stop bullshiting.

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    The electoral difference between Fidesz and the United Opposition starts to really widen in a shocking proportion, especially that only a month or so ago the United Opposition had a huge momentum and was leading Fidesz with a few percentages. Now apparently it's once again massive Fidesz-lead, 46-32

    https://444.hu/2021/12/16/hetek-ota-...-csak-erosodik

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