Péter Márki-Zay will be the opponent of Orbán in the 2022 parliamentary election

[Finnish Swede]

Your countries try to actively censor and swap the race of non-native criminals by changing their skin color, hair color, and blurring their hair texture and face to not show facial features to make them look European. This happens for both murder and rape. I would never trust a single thing out of Scandinavian media to not be dripping with self-hating bias. The fact that "Reporters without Borders" gives Scandinavia the highest ratings for press quality shows what a joke it is.

1.) Politicians might do that (via their interviews etc.). Leftists are in power.
2.) Some non free medias might do that as well. For sure we have leftest medias. Who owns media is open information here. You either trust one of these or not, but check/know always first who will own it.
3.) Not free media.

[VarangianRUs]

Everybody should try https://www.politicalcompass.org/test/en

[Turul Karom]

Everybody should try https://www.politicalcompass.org/test/en

Political compass test is worthless, and I will explain. If I say two very radical different left and right-wing opinions, the political compass will average me in the middle. However, if you talk to a centrist, they will not have a strong opinion on the topics I would have a "radical" opinion about, or they would have some middle opinion that is not workable with what I would want to happen.

Example:

Person A does support abortion at any stage, but also supports zero immigration and aggressive deportation.
Person B supports abortion under certain circumstances, and supports skilled immigration, but does not think much about illegal immigration one way or another.
Political compass puts these two people in nearly the same spot even though they have strong disagreements and nobody would think they overlap.

Make sense?

[Blondie]

Yes, Scandinavia is much more democratic. Starting from election system. You know the differences here? Also via taxes systems, which actually will cause that we do not have any extreme rich people but not any poor people either. Now, you might not like that, but it is very democratic. Society might be more free in USA, BUT nope .. not more democratic.

Scandinavia is not more democratic because democracy is based on human rights, and you also accepted that there is more personal freedom in the USA than in Scandinavia. A strong state cannot be more democratic than a liberal state because the state (the Party) determine the life of peoples as well, unlike in the liberal countries where the state influence is insignificant. Its not the states task to influence your life, because it should be your personal choice.
Another thing you have nothing to do with other peoples property, its a typical communist speak.

Saying shortly: Media's target should not be making profit! PERIOD! Its target should be offering as reliable news as possible.
This is actually one of the main issue (I have mentioned earlier). How the media will get the money to operate? Here that rights (YLE) is written to laws (secured by laws), and no politicians etc. can take that away from them. If media opposite will need to make profit (to survive), then media is also responsible to someone. And again can not be free of someones ideas, targets, visions etc.

I have talked about such medias what exist in the private sector and worked like the companies. There is no such media in Sweden or Finland? Another proof that Scandinavia is not even democratic, and the state media is not represents the whole media what an average people follow. In fact, there are such political youtube channels who have more viewers than the TV channels.

Swedish public media will tell the backgrounds of criminals. Just like Finland's or Norwegian's (see this last attack I wrote here).

Good to know, it seems a little common sense is still remained.

Nordic model has some influences of socialism (basically how humans are seen, valued), but economy and industrial has always been open/free. And to be true, I like that is good mix. The only problem is uncontrolled immigration but society structure as such is fine. So opposite to you, I do not dream about uber capitalist world. For me there are also something else valuable, and not just profits.

The scandinavian economy is not free because of high taxes and you said there are no rich peoples there, obviously because the economic sector is limited by the government, they raise taxes on the rich etc and these are not democratic things.

What comes to Russians, you have to be kidding. Finland shares the longest land border with Russia in Europe. Finland and Finns shares common history with Russians since humans knows (as long as there are writings left). You? You know nothing. You got some small taste 1956, but you know? Nothing!

This is what im talking about, you know Russia only from the history books, you and your family has no any personal experience with them unlike hungarians.

Go to check what those Finns ministers criticized (Hungary) and ask yourself had EU commented same issues earlier. If you do not know, got to find out that as well.

You claimed that there are problem with hungarian human rights, and after that when im completely debunked you with tons of source and number, you continue this attacking of Hungary what you get from the western leftist media, written by such propagandist journalists who have naver been to Hungary, and have no any idea about Hungary. Think what you want, if i were you i would worry about Sweden because you will wear burqa soon.

Over all EU? EU is wet dream of globalists. Winners of WWII (Europeans). They want it as big as possible. They are worried that EU would end/or stay minor player against USA, Chine, Russia. So again they wish to get it as big as possible and keep it that way.
These are the reasons why nobody has kicked Hungary out, or anybody else. Not because of real stage of your human rights (good or bad).

Then these insane idiots in Brussels should shut up and stop attacking everyone. I don't care if they attack Hungary because of corruption, or the transparency of EU money, these are legitimate demands, but the human rights are very good in Hungary, and much better in general than in West Europe. As liberal the human rights is very important to me and im very sensitive if we are talking about it. Trust me i would criticize Orbán if he would undermine the human rights but he don't do that. I see more serious human right problems in West as i explained: spreading islam, influence of radical left, pedo party etc. The only reason that the Left attacking Hungary is the hungarian government resisted aginst this totalitarian radical left what started to controll the West.

[Dunai]

You are too forgetful, Dunai. You are talking to a Turanist. I don't care about the color or skin of my "yellow" or "brown" steppe brothers and sisters; I also don't care if they are a Muslim. These are not impediments to my kinship with them.

It is the Scandinavian media who is obsessed with the skin color. Why else would they make the criminal look EUROPEAN? Why not color everyone's skin green or purple? No, they make them look European because they are trying to do something else, trying to show that it is not the migrant that is the criminal, but the native. Truly, the "new Swedes" are mostly just peaceful Congolese women looking to escape the brutal Syrian civil war that killed their family of doctors and scientists.

What cuckoo conspiracy theory are you talking about? You brought up the color of skin of criminals in Scandinavia, why are you so obsessed with it? This is Kuruc.info type of lunacy you are propagating here.

[VarangianRUs]

Political compass test is worthless, and I will explain. If I say two very radical different left and right-wing opinions, the political compass will average me in the middle. However, if you talk to a centrist, they will not have a strong opinion on the topics I would have a "radical" opinion about, or they would have some middle opinion that is not workable with what I would want to happen.

Example:

Person A does support abortion at any stage, but also supports zero immigration and aggressive deportation.
Person B supports abortion under certain circumstances, and supports skilled immigration, but does not think much about illegal immigration one way or another.
Political compass puts these two people in nearly the same spot even though they have strong disagreements and nobody would think they overlap.

Make sense?

Yes your right and compass is not perfect at all but its give you a hint also my fav and the most accurate test is https://dozenvalues.github.io/test/ but its to long to take it

[Turul Karom]

What cuckoo conspiracy theory are you talking about? You brought up the color of skin of criminals in Scandinavia, why are you so obsessed with it? This is Kuruc.info type of lunacy you are propagating here.

Skin color in context of Scandinavian nations (Sweden and Finland) changing them to make the foreign murderer or rapist look European. The point is, why trust their media if they are going to recolor an African rapist with blond hair and fair skin and blur the face? Why not just not show any photo if you want to hide what they look like? Because they are trying to be a propaganda against the native population. Again, the "Reporters without Borders" give them the best scores even though they blatantly lie about the races of criminals to fit a pro-immigrant, anti-native agenda. Can you imagine the reverse, where a bigot media changes the race of a white rapist and gives them black skin and blurs their face to push an anti-migrant agenda? Both examples are lies to push a narrative. It is not anything close to honesty in reporting. It is Sweden and Finland that do it. The "obsession" is with the lie and the effort to do so, not the skin color. You are not so stupid to not understand; no need to play dumb as though this is confusing.

Yes your right and compass is not perfect at all but its give you a hint also my fav and the most accurate test is https://dozenvalues.github.io/test/ but its to long to take it

I have never tried that other test. I will look at it. The problem is that I don't think political compass even gives a hint. Maybe it makes people think more about their opinions on things, but you will see that people grouped together by that specific test rarely agree with one another because it is a mathematical average of all answers. Political compass makes as much practical sense as splitting a baby in half when two parents argue for guardianship.

[Dunai]

Then these insane idiots in Brussels should shut up and stop attacking everyone. I don't care if they attack Hungary because of corruption, or the transparency of EU money, these are legitimate demands, but the human rights are very good in Hungary, and much better in general than in West Europe. As liberal the human rights is very important to me and im very sensitive if we are talking about it. Trust me i would criticize Orbán if he would undermine the human rights but he don't do that. I see more serious human right problems in West as i explained: spreading islam, influence of radical left, pedo party etc. The only reason that the Left attacking Hungary is the hungarian government resisted aginst this totalitarian radical left what started to controll the West.

Holy crap, and you managed to finish writing this sentence without the lamp falling on your head , what a crass liar you are about Hungarian reality. If anybody from abroad wants to really find out how human rights truly are right now in Hungary they should just read this short report, from the standard source on human rights issues from all around the world:

"HUNGARY 2020
Women and transgender people were discriminated against in law and in practice. Asylum-seekers were refused safe entry at borders and were expelled. Changes to laws to contain COVID-19 restricted freedom of expression and peaceful assembly. The government continued to undermine judicial independence and public confidence in the judiciary."

https://www.amnesty.org/en/location/...eport-hungary/

[Dunai]

Skin color in context of Scandinavian nations (Sweden and Finland) changing them to make the foreign murderer or rapist look European. The point is, why trust their media if they are going to recolor an African rapist with blond hair and fair skin and blur the face? Why not just not show any photo if you want to hide what they look like? Because they are trying to be a propaganda against the native population. Again, the "Reporters without Borders" give them the best scores even though they blatantly lie about the races of criminals to fit a pro-immigrant, anti-native agenda. Can you imagine the reverse, where a bigot media changes the race of a white rapist and gives them black skin and blurs their face to push an anti-migrant agenda? Both examples are lies to push a narrative. It is not anything close to honesty in reporting. It is Sweden and Finland that do it. The "obsession" is with the lie and the effort to do so, not the skin color. You are not so stupid to not understand; no need to play dumb as though this is confusing.



I have never tried that other test. I will look at it. The problem is that I don't think political compass even gives a hint. Maybe it makes people think more about their opinions on things, but you will see that people grouped together by that specific test rarely agree with one another because it is a mathematical average of all answers. Political compass makes as much practical sense as splitting a baby in half when two parents argue for guardianship.

Yet you haven't brought up any examples that the public media in Scandinavian countries have a supposed agenda of skin colorism of criminals. My god, do you even hear yourself how utterly ridiculous this sounds, little too late to cover up your racist obsessions.

[Universe]

And just because you and several other people writing in this thread are so obsessed with the skin color and race of criminals, makes you all being not far off from real-life Nazis. This is a sickening obsession from the Right about what color of skin, ethnic, religious and racial background a criminal has. Only Nazis obsess about such completely irrelevant stuff. Criminals should be judged for their deed and not for how they look.

I take it you would happily move to a gypsy or a migrant ghetto as opposed to a white area only to show you're not racist? A friend of mine wanted to rent apartment in a flat that was full of gypsies because it was cheap, but then he changed his mind, not because he didn't like the gypsies' skin color, but because it was simply a shit place to live.
I agree that criminals should be judged for what they did not for their ethnicity, no one said otherwise. I think there's a minsunderstanding here.

Holy crap, and you managed to finish writing this sentence without the lamp falling on your head , what a crass liar you are about Hungarian reality. If anybody from abroad wants to really find out how human rights truly are right now in Hungary they should just read this short report, from the standard source on human rights issues from all around the world:

"HUNGARY 2020
Women and transgender people were discriminated against in law and in practice. Asylum-seekers were refused safe entry at borders and were expelled. Changes to laws to contain COVID-19 restricted freedom of expression and peaceful assembly. The government continued to undermine judicial independence and public confidence in the judiciary."

https://www.amnesty.org/en/location/...eport-hungary/

I agree that refugees, gays and transgender people are better off in Western Europe (small % of the whole population) but freedom of speech is not necessarily better in Northern/Western Europe.