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    https://balkaneu.com/croatia-languag...e-with-serbia/


    Croatia: Language dispute with Serbia
    By Mladen Dragojlovic/ Published on: 06/10/2021




    Croatian President Zoran Milanović said on Tuesday that Serbia did not meet the standard of care for the Croat ethnic minority which Croatia had towards the Serb ethnic minority and that Croatia “could start thinking about some reciprocal moves.”

    Milanović’s statement was a comment on the negation of the Croatian language in a grammar book for eighth-graders in Serbia.

    The grammar book says that “Croats, Bosniaks and some Montenegrins call the Serbian language Croatian, Bosnian, Bosniak and Montenegrin.”

    Croatia cannot decide on the content of textbooks in Serbia but “we can start considering reciprocal moves,” said Milanović.

    He stressed that Croatia has very high standards of support for its ethnic minorities.

    “Evidently there is no such relationship towards Croats in neighbouring countries,” he added.

    In his reaction to the same issue, Croatian PM Andrej Plenković said that it is outrageous and unacceptable.

    “The embassy, the foreign ministry and all the relevant institutions have a clear duty to send protest notes to Serbia,” Plenković told the press.

    “We consider it a shameful policy,” he added.

    Plenković said that Croatia expected Serbia to rectify such anomalies in its grammar books.

    The Croatian FM, Gordan Grlić Radman also condemned the negation of the Croatian language in Serbian grammar books.

    “This is indeed disgraceful behaviour by Serbian authorities,” he said.

    According to Grlić Radman, it is an incomprehensible behaviour of an EU candidate country, in violation of the 2004 international agreement on the rights and protection of national minorities, whose provisions Croatia has fully complied with.

    “The fact that there has been fragmentation to Croatian and Bunjevac language proves that Serbian politics has interfered with the issue of the identity of Croats in Vojvodina,” Grlić Radman noted.

    On Monday, the political leadership of Croats in Serbia condemned the denial of the Croatian language in grammar books for eighth-graders. According to the local Croat-language weekly “Hrvatska riječ”, a grammar book for eighth-graders by a group of authors says that the Serbian, Slovenian, Macedonian and Bulgarian languages are South Slavic languages while “Croats, Bosniaks and some Montenegrins call the Serbian language Croatian, Bosnian, Bosniak or Montenegrin.” The Serbian Institute for the Promotion of Education approved the textbook, the weekly said.

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    Sadly Croatia is ruled by an anti Croat party and worse thing than this are happening which are allowed by our goverment..if we only had 5% of pro Croat goverment,many things would be changed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vrazijadivizija View Post
    Sadly Croatia is ruled by an anti Croat party and worse thing than this are happening which are allowed by our goverment..if we only had 5% of pro Croat goverment,many things would be changed.
    We have the same kind of government in Macedonia, I know how you feel.
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    The language of Serbia, Croatia, Bosnia and Montenegro is indeed the same. The same goes for the language of North Macedonia and Bulgaria. For me, if north German and South German are the same language, then the language from Slovenia till the Black sea is also the same, despite the political borders and regional forms.

    The foreign influences create chaos and hate between the South Slavic nations since day one of their modern creation. If you see the map of Europe, we are the only ones who are not united.

    Those foreign powers succeeded, as South Slavic citizen today are just stupid and poor consumators of Western goods, with hardly any production. While many of our young people are not living here.

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    lol, no, Slovenian is more West Slavic than "Balkan"

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    It is indeed the same language I think linguistics agree on that it is a instrument of politics
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    Croats indeed have their own dialects (kajkavian, čakavian, ikavian štokavian), but they do not use them as the official language.

    Official language in Croatia is based on reform of Serbian linguist Vuk Karadžić.

    That is the reason why lot of Croats have trouble with speaking their official "Croatian" - they do not distinguish difference in prononcing Č and Ć, or DŽ and Đ.
    Also, they have problem with correct accentuation of words.


    Article of Croatian linguist Ivo Škarić:

    The article is the first complete, comprehensive and exhaustive scientific description of Croatian phonetics. Professor Emeritus Ivo Škarić proved in his research that 90% of respondents do not distinguish between "ije" and "je" and "č" and "ć" in pronunciation, and that 76% of them has an incorrect three-voice system. He also realizes that the Croatian spoken language has developed in a completely different direction than the norms prescribed by spelling and grammar. The book can serve as an excellent handbook of general phonetics and will be of great use to linguists and anyone interested in the formation and use of sounds in languages in general.
    https://library.foi.hr/lib/knjiga.ph...bi=&sqlx=60248


    So no wonder that students of ethnic Serb minority in Croatia won on competition about knowladge of "Croatian" language

    https://www.index.hr/vijesti/clanak/...a/2092540.aspx
    https://slobodnadalmacija.hr/vijesti...-jezika-608406
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    Quote Originally Posted by Archduke View Post
    lol, no, Slovenian is more West Slavic than "Balkan"
    Slovenian is closer to northwestern Croatian dialect (Kajkavian) than to any west Slavic language. But I would say it's a transition between south and west Slavic, just like language of Panonnian Slavs in Hungary once was according to linguists.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dušan View Post
    Official language in Croatia is based on reform of Serbian linguist Vuk Karadžić.
    Not really. It is based on Dubrovnik dialect. Vuk himself took westernmost Serbian dialect as basis for Serbian standard so naturally overlap with Croatian standard is great.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dušan View Post
    Croats indeed have their own dialects (kajkavian, čakavian, ikavian štokavian), but they do not use them as the official language.

    Official language in Croatia is based on reform of Serbian linguist Vuk Karadžić.

    That is the reason why lot of Croats have trouble with speaking their official "Croatian" - they do not distinguish difference in prononcing Č and Ć, or DŽ and Đ.
    Also, they have problem with correct accentuation of words.


    Article of Croatian linguist Ivo Škarić:



    https://library.foi.hr/lib/knjiga.ph...bi=&sqlx=60248


    So no wonder that students of ethnic Serb minority in Croatia won on competition about knowladge of "Croatian" language

    https://www.index.hr/vijesti/clanak/...a/2092540.aspx
    https://slobodnadalmacija.hr/vijesti...-jezika-608406
    I don't know about Croatian but bosnian is certainly the same language with some Turkish loan words
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